Hello everyone,
I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action.
==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are: 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team.
The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too.
==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us?
In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it.
So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way.
For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe.
For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us.
And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do.
==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules.
We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2].
By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1].
So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks.
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata
Hi Tian,
I will answer this question.
The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry about the confusion.
Regards, Patrick
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld tiansworld@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action.
==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are:
- They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN
mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team.
The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too.
==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us?
In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways:
- My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to
approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it.
So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way.
For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe.
For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us.
And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do.
==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules.
We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2].
By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1].
So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks.
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata
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On 2016年08月04日 08:33, Patrick Huang wrote:
Hi Tian,
I will answer this question.
The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry about the confusion.
Hi Patrick I strictly have asked Zanata team to limit granting 'admin' role only to noriko and Piotr in order to avoid exactly this type problem. Therefore I understand there are only two 'admin's, noriko and Piotr, and we both do NOT grant the priviledge unless we confirm no coordinator or coordinator inactive. I have requested Zanata team to investigate this matter.
noriko
Regards, Patrick
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld <tiansworld@fedoraproject.org mailto:tiansworld@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hello everyone, I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action. ==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are: 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too. ==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us? In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it. So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way. For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe. For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us. And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. ==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2]. By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1]. So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YDO2HED4NZADCB6DOSG7NSZTHJLORZWE/ [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata -- -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Hi,
I am the one that grant both Simon and Tony zh_CN translator and reviewers.
Noriko, I did this because they have been waiting for months for your reply for membership, which I believe you remove Simon's access for the first time. Did not you said even you should not add or remove membership? If you cannot do it, please point them to Mr tiansworld or any corresponding coordinators.
Tiansworld, I am sorry. I misinterpreted your welcome message to Simon and Tony as approval of translator and reviewer permission. Therefore, I file an issue
https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-1306
which states changes of membership should notify the other coordinators in the same team. I guarantee this mistake won't happen again.
Regarding to the admin right, I have responsibility for system maintenance (e.g. reindex), deployment verification and system monitoring. Those cannot achieve without admin right. I am fine that other admins can also perform these duties, as I don't want myself to be the bottleneck. But Noriko, I don't think system administration is one of your strengths. So please focus on helping the translators migrating from Transifex to Zanata This way, more translators can be contributing, project got translated, and admins do not have to do the job of coordinators.
By the way, Zanata-3.8.2 and later do grant project maintainers the permission to add users as translators for their projects without them to join the language team.
http://zanata.org/zanata-version-3-8-2
So for translators that want to translate your dream projects, you can either prepare a self introduction to language team coordinators, or talk to project maintainers to add you.
Regards,
Ding-Yi Chen
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On 2016年08月04日 08:33, Patrick Huang wrote:
Hi Tian,
I will answer this question.
The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry about the confusion.
Hi Patrick I strictly have asked Zanata team to limit granting 'admin' role only to noriko and Piotr in order to avoid exactly this type problem. Therefore I understand there are only two 'admin's, noriko and Piotr, and we both do NOT grant the priviledge unless we confirm no coordinator or coordinator inactive. I have requested Zanata team to investigate this matter.
noriko
Regards, Patrick
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld <tiansworld@fedoraproject.org mailto:tiansworld@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hello everyone, I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action. ==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are: 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too. ==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us? In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it. So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way. For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe. For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us. And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. ==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2]. By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1]. So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/YDO2HED4NZADCB6DOSG7NSZTHJLORZWE/ [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata -- -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Hi Tian,
I've updated the list by removing translator and reviewer role from 'xhuang', however I can't see 'tfu' in the list and assuming he has been removed. Please keep an eye and expect their request to join into the language team again soon.
Sorry about all the confusion on this as it is a mistake from Zanata system administration. I will notify and update the team on the proper procedure to follow on this matter.
Thanks
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On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld tiansworld@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hello everyone,
I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action.
==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are:
- They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN
mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team.
The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too.
==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us?
In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways:
- My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to
approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it.
So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way.
For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe.
For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us.
And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do.
==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules.
We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2].
By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1].
So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks.
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata
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Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor
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Thanks for the every reply from each of you. Seems there are some confusions and misunderstandings between you. I hope you guys can solve it perfectly.
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Alex Eng aeng@redhat.com wrote:
I've updated the list by removing translator and reviewer role from 'xhuang', however I can't see 'tfu' in the list and assuming he has been removed.
In fact, the second one I mentioned is you, Alex. I didn't know how you joined in. Now it is clear. I've checked your FAS status, and you have of course signed CLA. So you two guys are just lack of the self-introduction on both of the lists.
Hi Ding-Yi Chen, It will be off topic to discuss the feature of Zanata with you under this post, you'd better announce that on a new post and let every one on the list know it and share their opinions with you.
I just hope everyone should try their best to obey the community rules. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Thanks again for all of you.
Tiansworld,
You are the one approved me in the team.
Alex ENG
On 5 Aug 2016 4:46 pm, "tiansworld" tiansworld@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Thanks for the every reply from each of you. Seems there are some confusions and misunderstandings between you. I hope you guys can solve it perfectly.
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Alex Eng aeng@redhat.com wrote:
I've updated the list by removing translator and reviewer role from 'xhuang', however I can't see 'tfu' in the list and assuming he has been removed.
In fact, the second one I mentioned is you, Alex. I didn't know how you joined in. Now it is clear. I've checked your FAS status, and you have of course signed CLA. So you two guys are just lack of the self-introduction on both of the lists.
Hi Ding-Yi Chen, It will be off topic to discuss the feature of Zanata with you under this post, you'd better announce that on a new post and let every one on the list know it and share their opinions with you.
I just hope everyone should try their best to obey the community rules. So let it be written, so let it be done.
Thanks again for all of you.
-- Regards,
Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor
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On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Alex Eng loones1595@gmail.com wrote:
Tiansworld,
You are the one approved me in the team.
Alex ENG
Alex,
I couldn't remember I approved your request.
Firstly, Zanata will send each request to me through email. I searched in my inbox, I didn't find any zanata email that contains your request.
Secondly, since zanata doesn't send confirm email after I approve each request or anyone who joins in through other way, I can't find any clue on this.
Thirdly, the coordinator can add people by filling their email addresses or names directly. I know that I've used this feature one or twice, but it was just to add the old members after we moved to Zanata. I didn't know you at that time, and didn't know your email address, your name, so I wouldn't add you in this way.
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Alex Eng loones1595@gmail.com wrote:
Fyi the mail
It was back in 2015 just in case you can't find
Thanks for finding your self introduction on trans list to me. As I replied there last year, "Hope you can post a self-introduction there too."[1] But now I still can't find your self introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list, even your email address isn't on the members list. Could you find me your self-introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list too?
Please provide the proof(I think you are able to search the user logs or what else.) that can prove it's me who approved your request.
BTW, If it's really me who approved your request, it because I did believe that you would introduce yourself soon on zh_cn list, and since I mistakenly blocked your email address at first as I explained under your post[1], I wanted to make some special convenient for you.
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
On 2016年08月07日 01:55, tiansworld wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Alex Eng <loones1595@gmail.com mailto:loones1595@gmail.com> wrote:
Tiansworld, You are the one approved me in the team. Alex ENG
Alex,
I couldn't remember I approved your request.
Hi Tiansworld
I can see you let Alex in :-)
What missing here is that Alex sent self-intro to trans at list but unfortunately forgot to do so to local mailing list. That's it.
noriko
Firstly, Zanata will send each request to me through email. I searched in my inbox, I didn't find any zanata email that contains your request.
Secondly, since zanata doesn't send confirm email after I approve each request or anyone who joins in through other way, I can't find any clue on this.
Thirdly, the coordinator can add people by filling their email addresses or names directly. I know that I've used this feature one or twice, but it was just to add the old members after we moved to Zanata. I didn't know you at that time, and didn't know your email address, your name, so I wouldn't add you in this way.
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Alex Eng <loones1595@gmail.com mailto:loones1595@gmail.com> wrote:
Fyi the mail It was back in 2015 just in case you can't find
Thanks for finding your self introduction on trans list to me. As I replied there last year, "Hope you can post a self-introduction there too."[1] But now I still can't find your self introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list, even your email address isn't on the members list. Could you find me your self-introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list too?
Please provide the proof(I think you are able to search the user logs or what else.) that can prove it's me who approved your request.
BTW, If it's really me who approved your request, it because I did believe that you would introduce yourself soon on zh_cn list, and since I mistakenly blocked your email address at first as I explained under your post[1], I wanted to make some special convenient for you.
[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org/...
-- Regards,
Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Noriko Mizumoto noriko@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Tiansworld
I can see you let Alex in :-)
What missing here is that Alex sent self-intro to trans at list but unfortunately forgot to do so to local mailing list. That's it.
noriko
Thanks Noriko. To be honest, I really couldn't remember this.
Hi Alex, I am sorry about this. But you have to make a self introduction to the local list as well.