Self-Introduction: Sachin S Kamath - Hindi/Malayalam
by Sachin S. Kamath
Hi,
Please find my details below :
Name: Sachin S. Kamath
Location: Coimbatore, India.
Login: skamath
Language: Hindi, Malayalam
Profession or student status: Student
About Me: I am currently pursuing my B.Tech and have been using Fedora
for very long. I recently completed by GSoC with the CommOps team and
am looking forward to joining the l10n team :)
You and the Fedora Project: Currently part of CommOps, fedora-join and
freemedia. I'm also looking to join the Ambassador team sometime soon.
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Cheers,
Sachin S. Kamath
https://www.sachinwrites.xyz
7 years, 1 month
Re: Hebrew translation plural form change request
by ניב באר
Just to make sure,
We are requesting to add the rule for dual form.. the other rule can be
ignored.
0 : n==1 : singular form
1 : n==0||n >2 :plural form
2 : n==2 : dual form
We do not actually need the many form for the translation to be correct.
(Assuming putting dual form on 2 can mainyain some bacward compatibility)
Thanks,
Niv
בתאריך 14 בספט׳ 2016 09:52, "ניב באר" <bloop93(a)gmail.com> כתב:
>Thanks for the suggestion, take a quick look at the cardinal part, it
shows exactly what we're talking about so CLDR has this rule already :)
I guess you are referring to the dual rule..
the rule for the many form there is incorrect[1] and should be fixed (at
CLDR at least, we do not really need it for translations)
[1]http://hebrew-academy.org.il/topic/hahlatot/grammardecisions/terminology-
ordinance/4-3-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%99%d7%9e%d7%95%d7%a9-%d7%91%
d7%a9%d7%9d-%d7%94%d7%9e%d7%a1%d7%a4%d7%a8/#target-3363
(it's in hebrew, sorry)
2016-09-14 9:37 GMT+03:00 Yaron Shahrabani <sh.yaron(a)gmail.com>:
> Hi Yuri!
> Thanks for the suggestion, take a quick look at the cardinal part, it
> shows exactly what we're talking about so CLDR has this rule already :)
>
> Yaron Shahrabani
>
> <DevOps - Hebrew translator>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 9:05 AM, Yuri Chornoivan <yurchor(a)ukr.net> wrote:
>
>> середа, 14-вер-2016 08:56:32 ניב באר написано:
>> > Thank you,
>> > forth form isn't quiet correct
>> >
>> > The actual hebrew plural forms are the following:
>> >
>> > one object - use singular form
>> >
>> > two objects - use dual form for specific cases, otherwise use plural
>> form
>> >
>> > 3-10 objects - use plural form
>> >
>> > none or more than 10 objects - can use plural form or many form
>> (optional)
>> >
>> >
>> > also, with both singular and dual form the number should not be written
>> > (anaconda, for example, does not aloow it).
>> >
>> >
>> > generally, the many form isn't required but it could be nice to have
>> (and
>> > prefered when speaking of years),
>> >
>> > it is not widely use and we can do without him (using the regular plural
>> > form will sound natural as well).
>> >
>> >
>> > In most cases, the existing plural form can be copied into the other
>> form
>> > (or two).
>> >
>> >
>> > I will also try to see if I can find a source in english who can
>> support it
>> > (I could only find in hebrew and not all in one place).
>> >
>> >
>> > I can review the translations on Zanata and I will try to contact hebrew
>> > translators of another projects
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks again,
>> > Niv
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just 2 cents+
>>
>> It is worth to inspect (and change if needed) the plural rules on CLDR.
>>
>> http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/supplemental/language_
>> plural_rules.html#he
>>
>> These rules are widely used in hardcoding the plural forms for many
>> projects
>> including FOSS.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yuri
>> >
>> > 2016-09-14 2:41 GMT+03:00 Rafal Luzynski <digitalfreak(a)lingonborough.co
>> m>:
>> > > 13.09.2016 10:06 ניב באר <bloop93(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Hello,
>> > > > The plural form for hebrew is currently set as:
>> > > > nplurals=2; plural=(n != 1);
>> > > >
>> > > > Altough plurals form fits in most cases,
>> > > > we do have dual form in hebrew which is mostly used when speaking
>> about
>> > > >
>> > > > time[1].
>> > > >
>> > > > which makes the use of plural form in those cases seems unnatural.
>> > > >
>> > > > I would like to update hebrew plural form to be:
>> > > > nplurals=3; plural=(n==1) ? 0 : 1 + (n==2);
>> > >
>> > > This formula looks tricky and I can't confirm it will always work
>> > > as expected. Also it must be less obfuscated for other human readers.
>> > >
>> > > I have grepped over the source code of those several projects
>> > > from GNOME whose source code I apparently have on my computer
>> > > and all of them use the simple nplurals=2 system in Hebrew
>> > >
>> > > except GNOME Software [2] which uses this expression:
>> > > nplurals=3; plural=n==1 ? 0 : (n>2||n==0) ? 1 : 2;
>> > >
>> > > Our reference source should be CLDR [3] which mentions
>> > > four forms for Hebrew:
>> > >
>> > > - one (n==1);
>> > > - two (n==2);
>> > > - many: dividable by 10 except 10 itself (n%10==0 && n>10)
>> > > - other (including 0 and 10).
>> > >
>> > > Can you confirm you need this fourth form for the numbers
>> > > dividable by 10?
>> > >
>> > > Otherwise, it seems you have spotted a bug in Hebrew language
>> > > configuration. IMHO the plural rules for Hebrew should be
>> > > changed to reflect all possible cases and you will have to live
>> > > with the fact that in most cases two or three forms will be
>> > > identical.
>> > >
>> > > > or at least to be able to specify a custom plural form to a
>> project on
>> > > >
>> > > > Zanata.
>> > >
>> > > I don't know if it's possible to change the plural rules for
>> > > a single project but indeed it should be acceptable if the
>> > > problem is so rare that it actually appears only in few projects.
>> > > Otherwise it should be changed globally, for all projects
>> > > in Zanata. Of course, it will break your existing translations
>> > > so you will have to review them all. Sounds overwhelming but
>> > > the satisfaction when you see all plural forms displayed correctly
>> > > in your computer is priceless.
>> > >
>> > > Also note that I know nothing about Hebrew language so I can't
>> > > confirm what plural rules are correct and whether they should be
>> > > applied globally or exceptionally for just few projects. I think
>> > > these rules should be confirmed by other Hebrew speaking people
>> > > and by references to some external and reliable sources like
>> > > CLDR or ISO documents or a national language regulator.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > >
>> > > Rafal
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Niv Baehr
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_(grammatical_number)
>> > >
>> > > #Modern_Hebrew
>> > >
>> > > [2] https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-software/tree/po/he.po
>> > > [3]
>> > > http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/29/supplemental/
>> > > language_plural_rules.html
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7 years, 1 month
L10N after Contributors and Coordinators, let's go deeper
by Jean-Baptiste
Dear coordinators,
We have two clear L10N roles :
* Contributor
* Team coordinator
I now suggest to clarify one last one, the role of the people having
special helping the global coordination.
This role is actually held by a few people : mainly by Noriko Mizumoto,
but maybe also Alex Aeng and Piotr Drąg?.
Why would I want to give them an "official title" ?
I want to have more description on the wiki about people to reach to
answer/solve wider problems/questions.
Typical use cases :
* I want to take coordinator role of a team but the previous
coordinator do not answer anymore
* I want to change content on Zanata (like groups, welcome page)
* I need administrator help on trans@ mailing list
* I need administrator help on FAS groups
* I want to add a new language
Those people are administrator of our tools, to help as superpower
people when coordinators are stuck.
This role is not in competition with the group decision management we
have : every coordinator has the possibility to assists G11N meetings
and L10N meetings, to share ideas, lead projects, organize events,
improve process, make communications.
I aim to keep the inverted pyramid logic and suggest ***L10N Pillars***.
Pillars < Coordinators < Translators.
Please give your feedback about this proposal before September 25th.
Btw, if this role is agreed, I will ask design team to make a little
image for each roles on the wiki.
Thanks for your help,
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
7 years, 2 months
Strange language "drops" on Wiki
by Zdenek Chmelar
Each time I open Fedora Wiki (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Project_Wiki) as anonymous (so not logged in), I do not see Czech translation available in the language bar until I log in with my credentials. Sometimes, it also helps to click some links there and back to let Czech language appear.
Has anyone else the same issue please?
Note: For some time it looked to me like all languages located before "English (en)" position are missing each time but later I found out the other languages are just on the other place in the language bar (or at least seem to be). Later, when Czech translation pops up in the bar, all languages are sorted as they should be.
Many thanks for your comments in advance.
7 years, 2 months
Self-Intoduction: Jonas Chinese
by Jonas
> Name: Jonas
> Location: China
> Login: jonasguo(a)autistici.org
> Language: Chinese
>
> Profession or student status: Grade One in university
>
> About You: I am a university student in China and I am pretty good in
> English,I personally use fedora as my system and I would like to help
> translate it to my language(Chinese) to help spread the spirit of Fedora
> and Opensource in my country.
>
>
7 years, 2 months
Wiki category: "Language"
by Zdenek Chmelar
Hello all
Some localizations have created Category for their own language like examples below:
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Brazilian_translations
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Spanish_translations
- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Italiano
I like it a lot and would like to apply the same for Czech translation. So I added "Category: Czech translation" at the end of translated page on "Overview/cs".
When I clicked on red link of this new Category to create that page, I realized that someone did the same in the past already (see https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Czech_translations&a... - there is reported another page "F18_release_announcement/cs" that has the same category).
So here are my questions:
1) Is there any way to see if there is already created some "Category:Czech..." do avoid duplication or mess creation in the wiki?
2) If I have to create new Category for Czech, how to code the category page to get such a nice overview like the examples above have? I checked the code of the pages above but there is no function called or anything else what would generate that overview of translated pages.
Last but not least - if this topic was already heavily discussed in the past, please do not waste your time with explanation "how-to" but let me just know that I have to dig in the archive.
Enjoy your weekend!
Zdenek
7 years, 2 months