I have several Dolphin windows, some with split panes, taking up a lot of screen space. Each pane contains multiple nested folders and it's not possible to have the entire set in view at once, either because they're scrolled out of sight or because one window is overlapping another.
If I want to drag and drop a file from one pane to a specific position in another (such as to a closed folder in the target pane), they have to both be visible before I start. IOW after grabbing the file with the left button (and keeping the button depressed) the target pane will not pop to the top of the window stack so I can point at the destination folder, and if the folder happens to be visible it won't open so I can walk down the tree. This is less functional than other systems (Windows, MacOS and no doubt other Linux file browsers).
Is there a way to configure Dolphin to get the desired behaviour? I know I can use right-click copy and paste but that's not what I'm asking.
poc
On Wed, 2015-10-21 at 17:37 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I have several Dolphin windows, some with split panes, taking up a lot of screen space. Each pane contains multiple nested folders and it's not possible to have the entire set in view at once, either because they're scrolled out of sight or because one window is overlapping another.
If I want to drag and drop a file from one pane to a specific position in another (such as to a closed folder in the target pane), they have to both be visible before I start. IOW after grabbing the file with the left button (and keeping the button depressed) the target pane will not pop to the top of the window stack so I can point at the destination folder, and if the folder happens to be visible it won't open so I can walk down the tree. This is less functional than other systems (Windows, MacOS and no doubt other Linux file browsers).
Is there a way to configure Dolphin to get the desired behaviour? I know I can use right-click copy and paste but that's not what I'm asking.
So is this just a limitation of Dolphin? If so, I would like to hear recommendations for an alternative file browser, preferably KDE-based but not essential.
poc
Dear Patrick,
in my experience/opinion, the Dolphin is the best as compared to the file browsers of Gnom at LInux, Windows or Mac. So please give it on more chance -- study it's configuration opportunities.
Regards
My telephone numbers: +7(916)585-5548, +7(925)129-1220
On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 2015-10-21 at 17:37 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I have several Dolphin windows, some with split panes, taking up a lot of screen space. Each pane contains multiple nested folders and it's not possible to have the entire set in view at once, either because they're scrolled out of sight or because one window is overlapping another.
If I want to drag and drop a file from one pane to a specific position in another (such as to a closed folder in the target pane), they have to both be visible before I start. IOW after grabbing the file with the left button (and keeping the button depressed) the target pane will not pop to the top of the window stack so I can point at the destination folder, and if the folder happens to be visible it won't open so I can walk down the tree. This is less functional than other systems (Windows, MacOS and no doubt other Linux file browsers).
Is there a way to configure Dolphin to get the desired behaviour? I know I can use right-click copy and paste but that's not what I'm asking.
So is this just a limitation of Dolphin? If so, I would like to hear recommendations for an alternative file browser, preferably KDE-based but not essential.
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On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 19:31 +0300, Oleg Markin wrote:
in my experience/opinion, the Dolphin is the best as compared to the file browsers of Gnom at LInux, Windows or Mac. So please give it on more chance -- study it's configuration opportunities.
As I said, the specific problem I reported is not present in several other file browsers on other systems. If you have a specific recommendation on what configuration options I need to change to get the desired behaviour, I'll be glad to try it.
poc
Dear Patrick,
I never saw that behavior (expending folders when hover with a file to move) and that lies beyond my interests. Ironically, that behavior was harmful for me when I used Mac OS. There were several times that I released the left button 'simultaneously' with the Finder opened the destination folder, so that my file got moved to some location inside the destination folder, which wasn't my intention. I usually have two Dolphin's windows opened with the detail view mode in each workspace.
The things I like in Dolphin are of another sort. This is designed closer to the well-established and reliable logic of working in a command line of console windows. In short, I feel some harmony in this as in good music. There are a lot of keyboard shortcuts like F3 to split or F2 to rename, which accelerate work. I also like the pop-out window suggesting a choice either to move or to copy a file, and I often use the build-in command line (F4). I'm using KDE in my everyday work though I'm not a coder.
Anyway, let me thank you for your curiosity -- at times it leads to progress.
My telephone numbers: +7(916)585-5548, +7(925)129-1220
On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 19:31 +0300, Oleg Markin wrote:
in my experience/opinion, the Dolphin is the best as compared to the file browsers of Gnom at LInux, Windows or Mac. So please give it on more chance -- study it's configuration opportunities.
As I said, the specific problem I reported is not present in several other file browsers on other systems. If you have a specific recommendation on what configuration options I need to change to get the desired behaviour, I'll be glad to try it.
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On Wednesday 21 October 2015 17:37:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I have several Dolphin windows, some with split panes, taking up a lot of screen space. Each pane contains multiple nested folders and it's not possible to have the entire set in view at once, either because they're scrolled out of sight or because one window is overlapping another.
If I want to drag and drop a file from one pane to a specific position in another (such as to a closed folder in the target pane), they have to both be visible before I start. IOW after grabbing the file with the left button (and keeping the button depressed) the target pane will not pop to the top of the window stack so I can point at the destination folder, and if the folder happens to be visible it won't open so I can walk down the tree. This is less functional than other systems (Windows, MacOS and no doubt other Linux file browsers).
Is there a way to configure Dolphin to get the desired behaviour? I know I can use right-click copy and paste but that's not what I'm asking.
Hi,
I can hoover over tree folder list in places section in dolphin window and it opens closed folders and scrolls up and down when holding a file to move.
Can't do the same over main folder view.
Regards, Piotr
On Thu, 2015-10-22 at 17:26 +0100, Piotr Gbyliczek wrote:
On Wednesday 21 October 2015 17:37:43 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I have several Dolphin windows, some with split panes, taking up a lot of screen space. Each pane contains multiple nested folders and it's not possible to have the entire set in view at once, either because they're scrolled out of sight or because one window is overlapping another.
If I want to drag and drop a file from one pane to a specific position in another (such as to a closed folder in the target pane), they have to both be visible before I start. IOW after grabbing the file with the left button (and keeping the button depressed) the target pane will not pop to the top of the window stack so I can point at the destination folder, and if the folder happens to be visible it won't open so I can walk down the tree. This is less functional than other systems (Windows, MacOS and no doubt other Linux file browsers).
Is there a way to configure Dolphin to get the desired behaviour? I know I can use right-click copy and paste but that's not what I'm asking.
Hi,
I can hoover over tree folder list in places section in dolphin window and it opens closed folders and scrolls up and down when holding a file to move.
Can't do the same over main folder view.
I'm already using the Tree view. I don't see this behaviour in either pane, i.e. not in the Places view and not in the main pane.
poc
I can hoover over tree folder list in places section in dolphin window and it opens closed folders and scrolls up and down when holding a file to move.
Can't do the same over main folder view.
I'm already using the Tree view. I don't see this behaviour in either pane, i.e. not in the Places view and not in the main pane.
Dragging file from main panel of one dolphin window to tree view in places panel of either the same or another window works or me as described.
Can you test if the same thing works on a fresh user, maybe some legacy settings are messing up ? Otherwise I don't know.
Regards, Piotr
On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 14:09 +0100, Piotr Gbyliczek wrote:
I can hoover over tree folder list in places section in dolphin window and it opens closed folders and scrolls up and down when holding a file to move.
Can't do the same over main folder view.
I'm already using the Tree view. I don't see this behaviour in either pane, i.e. not in the Places view and not in the main pane.
Dragging file from main panel of one dolphin window to tree view in places panel of either the same or another window works or me as described.
Can you test if the same thing works on a fresh user, maybe some legacy settings are messing up ? Otherwise I don't know.
Tried that but no difference.
One thing: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a Tree view in the Places panel. The Places panel simply shows a list of folders and network locations. It's not a tree view and I don't see how to make it one.
poc
Am 23.10.2015 um 18:10 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
One thing: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a Tree view in the Places panel. The Places panel simply shows a list of folders and network locations. It's not a tree view and I don't see how to make it one
i don't see how to make it not one since i still use konqueror which is, was and will be the better filemanager if you don't use it as webbrowser but there is a tree view in the left side bar on the bottom
dolphin with still no bookmarks is a joke
On Friday 23 October 2015 17:10:24 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
One thing: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a Tree view in the Places panel. The Places panel simply shows a list of folders and network locations. It's not a tree view and I don't see how to make it one.
Actually, it turns out that it is not the places panel. It is folder panel, which I have under places panel in my dolphin (most likely default). You can enable it from menu or using F7 key.
Regards, Piotr
On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 17:18 +0100, Piotr Gbyliczek wrote:
On Friday 23 October 2015 17:10:24 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
One thing: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a Tree view in the Places panel. The Places panel simply shows a list of folders and network locations. It's not a tree view and I don't see how to make it one.
Actually, it turns out that it is not the places panel. It is folder panel, which I have under places panel in my dolphin (most likely default). You can enable it from menu or using F7 key.
OK, I see it. I don't usually have that enabled.
It does do as you say. However:
1) I really want it in the main pane, not the sidebar.
2) The window does not pop to the top of the stack i.e. if the target folder is covered by another window, it doesn't make itself visible. In some cases it's just possible to scroll to the right position while keeping the left button depressed, but not always and in any case it's error-prone.
This strikes me as poor UI design and I'm surprised that it hasn't come up before now. I'll consider filing a BZ.
Thanks all the same.
poc
Please check Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> Navigation -> Open folders during drag operations
Regards
My telephone numbers: +7(916)585-5548, +7(925)129-1220
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2015-10-23 at 17:18 +0100, Piotr Gbyliczek wrote:
On Friday 23 October 2015 17:10:24 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
One thing: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by a Tree view in the Places panel. The Places panel simply shows a list of folders and network locations. It's not a tree view and I don't see how to make it one.
Actually, it turns out that it is not the places panel. It is folder panel, which I have under places panel in my dolphin (most likely default). You can enable it from menu or using F7 key.
OK, I see it. I don't usually have that enabled.
It does do as you say. However:
I really want it in the main pane, not the sidebar.
The window does not pop to the top of the stack i.e. if the target
folder is covered by another window, it doesn't make itself visible. In some cases it's just possible to scroll to the right position while keeping the left button depressed, but not always and in any case it's error-prone.
This strikes me as poor UI design and I'm surprised that it hasn't come up before now. I'll consider filing a BZ.
Thanks all the same.
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On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 17:52 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 16:35 +0300, Oleg Markin wrote:
Please check Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> Navigation -> Open folders during drag operations
Yes, that works. Still doesn't make the target window rise to the top though.
Thanks anyway.
poc
After further thought, I realized that of course raising a window wouldn't be a Dolphin setting. You can get the effect by changing the focus policy to Raise On Hover (in System Settings->Window Actions and Behavior). It's not ideal since I normally don't want to do this except in the specific situation I mentioned, but it is what it is.
poc
That is new for me, thanks.
My telephone numbers: +7(916)585-5548, +7(925)129-1220
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 17:52 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 16:35 +0300, Oleg Markin wrote:
Please check Settings -> Configure Dolphin -> Navigation -> Open folders during drag operations
Yes, that works. Still doesn't make the target window rise to the top though.
Thanks anyway.
poc
After further thought, I realized that of course raising a window wouldn't be a Dolphin setting. You can get the effect by changing the focus policy to Raise On Hover (in System Settings->Window Actions and Behavior). It's not ideal since I normally don't want to do this except in the specific situation I mentioned, but it is what it is.
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