On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 6:32 AM, <buergermeister(a)karl-tux-stadt.de> wrote:
Hi,
Well time for me to answer this. There are two reasons why there isnt a
Supplemental Wallpaper for F27. First Mo already mentioned, I did live for
several months just with net from the phone. So actually for the F26
Supplemental Wallpaper I save the traffic of one week to use it just for the
download of the submissions for the legal tests. So on the end half the
months traffic just for it. And I could not afford to top up more for it.
Well, my net problems are right now solved as I have a landline, which is
stable to use.
Its not funny for me to read in some tickets comments from people, doing
this job is just hitting a button. Its not, its heavily time consuming. I
spent each release around 400 working hours for it. Most of the time is
spent with the legal checks, which has to be done manually and that means
down- and upload the submissions, oh yeah the engines like tineye have an
API but unfortuantely no such service is free of charge. So you have to do
it manually. Same is for the awarding of the badges, except the voting one,
they are done manually. So more work.
So looking back to the what did happen around the wallpaper of F26 and
accusations made by a person not just here in the design team as well in
public meetings which did lead to a council ticket where I was insulted
again as the person was not enforced to give an excuse for his accusations
as more I was punished by advised to stay away from IRC for a while. So with
other words, they council did tell me that way his accusations are right.
With such insultations I did feel not very motivated to run the wallpaper
for F27 again, especially the cycle was very short, have a look
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-27/f-27-design-tasks.html
The point is the process starts before the version before it gets released,
with going through the dates and setting them up in Nuancier. Its not just
simple say, oh thats the date and this not. For making it successful there
is a minimal running time for it, some folks need some time to recognize it.
So submission phases under 6 weeks make no sense, same for the voting. We
tried on the begin to make the period short just a week but a lot of people
complained about it, so you need at least 2 weeks for it. In addition you
have to give Luya some time for packaging them. So far he does a very good
job and finishes the package very fast, but at least a week you have to give
him to.
So it was quiet short to do this time.
And it looks, it will be standard for the future to have shorter cycles,
that might be fine on the "technical" side but for things like this its
contra-productive. Currently I thinking on a way how to do it in a different
way, so that we still can have it. My current idea is to run it just yearly
for several releases, but there will be some changes for Nuancier needed
again.
Thanks gnokii for the frank explanation of the situation. As you have
pointed to scheduling as one of the reason for not having the F27
supplemental wallpapers, may I ask you please, to come up with your
proposal what the scheduling should look like ? How much time you need
for each phase of the process and when, relative to branching or Beta
release, these phases needs to be in time ? It helps me to do a better
job the next time, if possible.
Jan
So that just to give some information.
For the link, yes its nearly the actual process just some minor things are
missing, like make the badges tickets, which have to be created before, but
its pretty much it.
br gnokii
Am 24.10.2017 um 05:19 schrieb charles profitt:
On Mon, 2017-10-23 at 08:04 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi Charles!
On 10/22/2017 03:07 PM, charles profitt wrote:
I noticed that there has not been a call for supplemental
wallpapers
for F27. I did not know if this was by design or due to no one
being
available to take care of the process.
If it is the latter, I would be willing to take on the process if
someone is able to teach me what is required.
Traditionally, gnokii runs this process but he has poor internet as
of late making it rather challenging.
It's too late for F27, but if you'd like to manage the process for
F28, you are more than welcome.
I am sure gnokii has a lot of advice & guidance - we do have a HOWTO
on managing the process, but I don't know if it's up-to-date with
gnokii's
method:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_manage_the_supplemental_wallpape
r_process
Cheers,
~m
I will take a look at the process. In the next few days. I will reach
out to gnokii if I have any questions. I was most nervous about how to
setup nuancier to accept submissions and then not sure how the winners
were packaged. I have zero packaging experience.
Thanks for the link.
Charles
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