We had a Matrix meeting yesterday instead of a video meeting. Zodbot
wasn't working at the time so these are copy/paste from matrix minutes.
Here's a quick summary / table of contents:
1. Some news about using Penpot.app as a design tool (being used in
upcoming Fedora main website redesign) - message Mo with your email
address if you'd like an invite to the Fedora Design team on that app
2. The Fedora 35 Release party is coming up and the design team is
invited, please come :)
3. Ticket triage:
- New logo for discussion.fpo
- Fedora Logo fil efor authenticatorpro
- Accessible Fedora color palette available in pagure tickets now
- We have a bunch of new logo t-shirt tickets open that would be
great for new contributors to look at if anybody is looking for smtg to
- The F36 artwork kickoff blog post is live, thanks Madeline!
Madeline and Mo will work on getting it on the Fedora Community Blog as
well, read to learn how you can participate in the creation of F36's
Full log below
So I just got off a call that you were on too riecatnor about planning
for the new Fedora website
I think something I wanted to talk about today in light of that is this
penpot tool I dont remember if I've brought it up here before
It's an open source UI design tool, it's written by the people who make
Taiga if you know about that
I created a team on there and if you'd like an invite DM me your email
address (I also posted about it on the design-team list a while back)
I have yet to use penpot but it looks rad
We are going to be using it to manage the wireframes & mockups for the
new fedora website
oh yes, I would like to join that
cool let me get you added now
ok i just sent you an invite
cool thank you!
one thing that is really cool about it is that it lets you do click-thru
The other thing that's cool is web devs can grab the color codes, font
names, font sizes, etc etc from the mockups directly for their css
and one more is that you can attach comments directly to spots on the
design to ask contextual questions etc
so im hoping it'll work out, i've been using it for the ChRIS project
mockups and recently some anaconda design work and so far it's worked
I think that is all I had to today. Basically - new website design
coming, penpot is the tool i'm using, if you wanna get involved let me
Anyone else have anything?
we could take a look at issues if not
just want to point out that the release party is coming up and the
design team is invited :)
Fedora Linux 35 Release Party
Get tickets to Fedora Linux 35 Release Party, taking place 12/11/2021 to
13/11/2021. Hopin is your source for engaging events and experiences.
and Máirín Duffy will be talking on Friday
I should have the schedule out by end of week
Máirín Duffy changed the topic to "Sign up for the F35 Release Party!!!
that's it from me :)
Máirín Duffy changed the topic to ":tada: Sign up for the F35 Release
hold on gotta fix my emoji in the topic lol
Máirín Duffy changed the topic to "🎉🎉 Sign up for the F35 Release
Issue #797: Updated Logo for discussions.fpo - design - Pagure.io
design Clone Source Code GIT Documentation GIT Learn more about these
different git repos. Other Git URLs Source Docs Issues 101 Pull Requests
1 Roadmap Stats #797 Updated Logo for discussions.fpo
Ah this one is ongoing.... so @mattdm updated the logo with these on
one oddity is - go here (or any topic)
when you scroll down I have the logo shift to just be the artwork with
the Fedora logo inside it
because you lose the "Fedora Discussion" logotype due to how discourse
I think theres a little pixel shift in there I gotta fix
but do you think that works?
yes, I like the shape/composition.. the color in the background, I can't
tell if thats supposed to be the same or different as the foreground
on minimize it is a gradient but when its full on its the same color as
gotcha, I think that is working well. I see we put the two bubbles in
for the favicon (?) for the navigation bar
that is a bit harder to discern the design
yeh the favicon has not been optimized at all, it literally is the raw
artwork exported at 32x32 or whatever. I need to pixel snap it and make
sure its clean
but there is a deliberateness in the general design there - matrix has a
single speech bubble
so i wanted discourse to have the two, and also, the inverse color
scheme so across browser tabs you could tell the difference
i believe in testing both in the same browser window the distinguishment
is good so i just have to get on optimizing and pixel snapping that
favicon so it reads more clearly
(and tweaking the shapes to that end if necessary)
all sounds great to me :)
ok next ticket
Issue #796: Adding Fedoraproject logo to AuthenticatorPro - design -
this one seems pretty straightforward
i can probably knock it out right after this so i will
Issue #795: Accessible color palette - design - Pagure.io
this one i should close. basically just copying work that was done
elsewhere so we have it in the tickets for now. eventually id like this
in an updated brand guidelines document
Issue #790: New Logo T-Shirts for the Cool Stuff Store - design -
this is the tshirts one...
riecatnor did this come up at the latest mindshare meeting
the flip side timezone one
yes it did
everyone was fine with the prioritization it seemed
no other major thoughts, I added the note about the ambassadors polos
(which will be a straightforward design)
ok great! 🙂
so probably next step then is to focus on the basic tee and get some
candidate designs for that
this would probably be a good beginner contributor project to take on
ok cool lets see what else
Issue #789: Fedora F36 Artwork - design - Pagure.io
Madeline Peck: did the blog post on this go out?
it did! I can grab the link (had to duck away from my computer for a hot
oh sweet, no sweat
Fedora 36 Wallpaper! — Madeline Peck - Madeline Peck
Oh thank you!
I'll try to get this in the queue for the community blog. Did you have
any ideas for a graphic to go wtih it? the community blog usually
requires a graphic
when my recent f model post was syndicated it took about a weekt o get
it on the schedule, is that a reasonable timeline to throw an image
together for it?
here is the info about the images for the comm blog
you don't have to use the repo, I usually just add it to my article and
call it a day
I thought maybe I could do an illustration of different people baking up
new ideas together in a kitchen
but there are specs there
Unless you have any different ideas? I could make a graphic based off of
I thought maybe I could do an illustration of different people baking up
new ideas together in a kitchen
If you think you have time / want to. Definitely doesn't have to be
original or fancy though! Theres a lot of templates in the community
blog dir you can use too
If you could find an open license photo of Deepika that might be a good
bet. Or even grab something off pixabay with water in it... just make
sure to add a credit line to the graphic
okay! sounds like a plan :)
oh pixabay doesnt require attribution - i'd do it anyway tho
sweet - Madeline Peck ping me when you've got the graphic and i'll do
the "paper" work to get it in the community blog 🙂
at we are at 2 so let's leave it there 🙂 I will send out these minutes
in... some form lol to the design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org mailing
list. Thank you everyone 🙂 🙂
As a side-effect of sending the F36 wallpaper voting emails out this
morning, it turns out we have a number of members of the Fedora Design Team
"designteam" FAS group who don't appear to have active FAS accounts
anymore. There are a few others whose FAS accounts still appear to be
active, but their emails are bouncing.
I have reached out to everyone whose email addresses are bouncing to try to
get in touch to see if they'd like to stay a member of the team and if I
could help update their email address in FAS, or if they'd rather be
removed. I feel really badly removing folks without an OK, but the
following is a list of folks I couldn't get in touch with. Listing their
FAS IDs here in case they might still be subscribed to this list under
another email address and want to get in touch to keep their account
active. I am planning to remove these accounts from the Fedora Design Team
FAS group by October 31:
Folks I have reached out to via other channels that I am waiting to hear
- twohot (reached out via Twitter DM, I do hear from him and expect to be
- maxineb / mbouffard (tried secondary email address)
- gnokii (reached out via FB Messenger, I do hear from him and expect to be
in touch as well)
- ilianaw (reached out via secondary email address)
I figure by Oct 31 is plenty of time to get in touch, and it is not
difficult to just re-add someone back into the group if they miss that date.
Some might have noticed, I write since a while a series for Fedora Magazine on things you can do/make with Inkscape besides graphics (https://fedoramagazine.org/make-more-with-inkscape-stroke-fonts/). There is been planned an article about papercraft/pepakura but I have to delay this one a bit even its up and ready in Fedora Magazine, there must go an article before. There is an extension for creating cookie cutter with Inkscape and openSCAD. Its not a big deal, the Fedora logo was changed in just a few to such a design. Problem is the logo shows not all features of the cookie cutter. I looking for something Fedora related which would have lines not going through. I looked at Beefy Miracle but it would not work I fear as the legs are to thin. Do we have something which could be used? I looked through the badges designs to find a badger would work have not found one yet.
Fedora 35 is getting ready to be packaged and released but it's time to
start Fedora Wallpaper 36!
Each release we increment a letter of the alphabet and look to highlight a
scientist, inventor, or engineer whose name begins with that letter and use
their work as inspiration for the visual concept of the wallpaper.
For example, F33’s inspiration was Walter Lincoln Hawkins, a polymer
chemist and the wallpaper embedded the concept of connecting the world
since his invention of plastic sheathing helped give rural access to the
For F36, the letter is K. The first part of this process is as a team we
vote on which of a few K figures we find most inspirational / the best
possibility for cool visuals for the F36 wallpaper. I propose the list
below. I will make sure to attach the poll below for voting purposes.
*1. Jack Kilby *- Jack St. Clair Kilby was a Nobel award-winning American
electrical engineer, his greatest achievement was the creation of the first
working integrated circuit while working at Texas Instruments in the 1950s.
The visuals here could be either very direct, inspired by the diodes,
microprocessors, and transistors of the circuit, or more abstract. The
lines and squares could start to turn into an overhead view of the
city/world that’s been affected by the integrated circuit
*2. Stephanie Kwolek *– Kevlar - An American chemist discovered this
material, which is five times stronger than steel, is used in bicycle
tires, racing sails, body armor, frying pans, armored cars. She discovered
the first of a family of synthetic fibers of exceptional strength and
stiffness: poly-paraphenylene terephthalamide.
Visual concepts could include the molecular makeup of kevlar, fluidity of
fibers as well as the rigidity and strength of the material.
*3. *Deepika Kurup - is an inventor, scientist, and clean water advocate.
Kurup's initial idea that won her the Discovery Education 3M Young Scientist
in 2012 is based on using a photocatalytic compound for water purification.
In 2015 she developed a pervious photocatalytic composite using sand, TiO2,
Portland cement and silver nitrate. This photocatalytic pervious composite
showed 98% reduction in total coliform bacteria immediately after
filtration. Exposure of the filtered water to sunlight with a
photocatalytic composite disc resulted in 100% inactivation of total
I think this one has a lot of different paths we could go in! Playing
around with whether we wanted a landscape that emphasized the sun and water
like Fedora 34, or if we wanted to symbolize bacteria in a way with the
water in a gradient effect going from dirty to clean.
*4. Robert Kahn* - Robert Kahn was an electrical engineer from the Defense
Advanced Research Projects Agency. When the company DARPA ran out of
funding, he and a computer scientist from Stanford named Vint Cerf
collaborated on the principle of the interconnection of heterogeneous
computer networks. They called it the TCP (transmission control protocol)
which originally included the IP (Internet Protocol). After the U.S.
Department of Defense adopted it in 1980, the TCP/IP became the standard
Internet communication protocol we still use today.
I don't have many ideas for visuals off the top of my head but right now
while we all work with the internet mostly from home its really important
so I'm sure we could come up with something.
Keep an eye out for an email regarding the poll. We’re currently trying to
set it up with LimeSurvey but this way you can do whatever research you’d
like and figure out who to vote for in the meantime before its up and
she / her / hers
If you watch today's Fedora Design team call , you'll hear and see a
little discussion of a new open source UI wireframing and prototyping tool
called PenPot. It's created by the folks who make Taiga, which is a tool
we've used in Fedora before. It is a hosted, browser-based app that runs
great in Fedora, and you can check it out here:
I am trying out this tool to wireframe the redesign for the main Fedora
website and create formal brand guidelines for the new Fedora logo. I set
up a Fedora Design team on the main server at penpot.app. If you would like
to join this team, let me know :)
Note this tool isn't meant to replace our usage of Inkscape, especially for
illustrations, logo designs, print layouts, etc. But it is a very
well-designed tool for UI mockups so I personally will be testing it out
more for Fedora UI mockups.
Let me know what you think!
Hi everyone :)
Here is a link to the recording of today's Design Team meeting:
This link will be live for the next 2 weeks to allow everyone a chance to
play it, after which point it will be taken down.
In this meeting, Mo and Madeline talk over logistics for the just-launched
Fedora 36 wallpaper inspiration poll Madeline set up - she has officially
kicked off the F36 wallpaper process! :) [You should all have an email now
inviting you to vote - if you do not receive the email please let me know!]
Mo also talked through some super-early mockups of a new Fedora website
Ryan Gorley also dropped by and Mo gave him a tour of the new Pen Pot app
(penpot.app) which is an open source wireframing tool that seems pretty