design-team November 2010

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Procedure for new font packages?
by Valent Turkovic 05 Dec '10

05 Dec '10

Hi gals/guys, I found two great fonts that aren't currently packages for Fedora and have free licence so that they can be distributed by Fedora. Is there some procedure that I need to go through for fonts to be accepted by design team before I can package them? These are two fonts I would like to see in Fedora repos: http://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/Sansation http://www.dafont.com/jura.font Cheers, Valent. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com linux, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless, ronjenje, pametne kuće, zwave registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic, MSN: valent.turkovic(a)hotmail.com

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30 November 2010 meeting minutes
by Máirín Duffy 01 Dec '10

01 Dec '10

Hey everybody! Thanks for another great meeting! Here's the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-11-30/fedora-design.201… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-11-30/fedora-design.201… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-11-16/fedora-design.201… I also posted them to our wiki page here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Latest_Meeting_Minutes Mo Summary: Topic: Fedora 15 supplemental wallpapers ======================================== • msourada recently received a bug from a user wanting to submit a wallpaper. (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658427 (mizmo, 19:21:01) • let's open up the submissions process now - supplemental submissions are due 7 March 2011 • mizmo already made a new wiki page for submissions: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissi… • msourada already made a blog post to open it up: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2010/11/fedora-15-wallpaper-submissions-… • Fab did an awesome job of managing the supplemental wallpaper process for F14. We need someone to do it for F15. Is anyone interested? (none so far) Topic: Fedora 15 default wallpaper ================================== • Our codename is lovelock, any ideas on wallpapers for that? • mizmo convinced steampunk is the way. what do you think? • msourada already made a blog post to announce that we're taking idea submissions: http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2010/11/fedora-15-wallpaper-submissions-… • Schendje will arrange a brainstorm/sketch session for F15 wallpapers • mizmo to talk to gnome shell peeps re: suitable wallpapers / guidelines Topic: GNOME Shell Theming ========================== • Emichan setup a wiki page for sharing screenshots/tips: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/Gnome_shell_theming • Emichan also noted you'll need the Gnome Shell theme reloader to make theming easier: http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/Theme_Reloader_GS_Ext.tar.bz2 Topic: FUDcon Tempe T-shirt Design ================================== • Emichan's got some sketches to share; she'll send to the list as soon as she can Topic: Fedora RPG ================= • Fab came up with a great mockup; there's some good discussion here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-November/003681.h… • Let's keep the thread alive, try to have another iteration by next week Post-meeting: Flickr Notes ========================== • See Jef's post here: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-November/003684.h… • There was some post-meeting discussion on how we might make use of this technology to keep positional notes on top of graphics. I'll copy/paste the chat log to the thread, 'Flickr style notes for the Design Team' ~m

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Flickr style notes for the Design Team
by Jef van Schendel 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

Hi all, As some of you may remember, in Máirín's design-pony post [1] one of the ideas was to have Flickr-style note-taking for designers to communicate more efficiently. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, try it out by rolling your mouse over this image [2]. The obvious benefit of this is that even though we're all over the globe, we can still "point at the screen" and comment on different parts of a design. I think this would be especially great for UI and web design. :) So I did a little research and it seems that Flickr's implementation is based on a standard called Fotonotes [3]. Fotonotes also provides a Javascript client and it's all open source. I even found a MediaWiki extension [4], but you need to patch MediaWiki to get it to work so I'm not sure if it's suitable for our own wiki. An example can be found here [5] though. I tried it out and it's very simple to set up. You can see an instance on my fpo space [6], though it doesn't save anything. I also tried out Tipmage [7] here [8], which is about the same thing, also in Javascript and open source. Double-click to add a note! Again, this doesn't yet save anything. Anyhow, I was thinking that we should really set something like this up for the Design Team. Like fpaste.org for designers. It doesn't seem too hard (even I could get it working!) and it's really extremely cool IMO. Has anyone ever tried these before? Any experiences or comments? Do you guys think this is possible to set up somewhere? :) Jef [1] http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/the-one-where-the-designers-ask-for-… [2] http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjl20/2218551175/ [3] http://fotonotes.net/ [4] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Fotonotes [5] http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Image:Test_image.jpg [6] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/fotonotes/docs/test_dog.html [7] http://digitalhymn.com/argilla/tipmage/ [8] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/fotonotes2/test.htm

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Design team meeting today, 1900 UTC
by Máirín Duffy 30 Nov '10

30 Nov '10

Design dudes & design divas, #1 You folks ROCK for running the meeting without me last week and posting the meeting minutes to the wiki and here on list, THANK YOU! I've been on (a long overdue) vacation for the past week during the American holidays and I really appreciate your running things! #2 Meeting's on today (sorry for the short notice! Martin just reminded me!) in #fedora-design at 1900 UTC (2 pm Eastern US). Here's a rough agenda; if you have interest in any of the items below please feel free to comment here on list before the meeting or add additional items: - Fedora 15 supplemental wallpaper submissions - (see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=658427) - Fedora 15 - what's the plan? - GNOME shell theming - FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update - Fedora RPG - Open floor Again, the meeting will be in #fedora-design on irc.freenode.net, 1900 UTC. See ya then, ~m

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Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
by Vinzenz Vietzke 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

Hi Design Team! since I'm new to this list I'd like to shortly introduce myself: My name is Vinzenz Vietzke, I'm 26 years old and live in Augsburg, southern Germany. I am working as educator/pre-school teacher. More about my work in the Linux community can be found on my wiki page (see signature). I reworked "start.fedoraproject.org" and made some mock-ups which can be seen in the wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz/Projects#Fedora_startpage I did not open a ticket, because I'd like to discuss at first. So it would be great if you all could have a look and comment on my work. :) Regards, vinz -- Vinzenz Vietzke m: vinz(a)fedoraproject.org wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv

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[Fedora 14] Advanced filters in Transmission 2.11
by Misha Shnurapet 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

Hi, Design Team! I got a little issue with the new filter panel introduced in Transmission 2.11. I desided to ask here because it's part of Fedora and there are people experienced in UI design. The GUI client used to have nice buttons [1] that allowed to jump quickly between the lists of active / paused / seeding torrents, etc. Now that there are options added, the control has been converted into combo boxes [2]. The issue is pretty simple: I dont' like the extra-click-and-choice it takes to use the combo boxes. I have posted a ticket [3] to the trac trying to explain my concern. Being disappointed I made myself sound offensive, which I regret and feel very sorry for. However, the developer agreed to see a new solution that wouldn't narrow back the current functionality. Tabs wouldn't work. I'd like to consult with designers if this can be improved any further. Maybe Máirín or Jakub would have an idea? Thank you. [1] http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/9606/transmission19.jpg [2] http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/5447/transmission2.jpg [3] https://trac.transmissionbt.com/ticket/3722 -- Best regards, Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306

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new comer - luis santos
by luis santos hernandez 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

Hello team, first of all I would like to introduce myself. My name is Luis Santos, 31years old, I come from Venezuela and currently I live and work in Greece. I am an audiovisual artist; my main interests are design, photography and 3D-animation. I really enjoy to work with open-source programs and I really love Fedora. :) It would be a great honour and joy to work for the community. Hope I get a response from you soon. Cheers, Luis Santos

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Design Suite Spin - Development status
by Chris Jones 28 Nov '10

28 Nov '10

The future of the Design Suite Spin seems to be hanging up in the air right now with no clear direction on its future. I have emailed both Owner Seb and Maintainer Pierros. Both have not replied regarding the development status of the Spin. Does anyone have any ideas as to what the current status of the project is and whether a Fedora 14 release is in the works? Regards -- Chris Jones PHOTO RESOLUTIONS - Photo - Graphic - Web ABN: 98 317 740 240 @: chrisjones(a)comcen.com.au WWW: http://photoresolutions.freehostia.com

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Vym icon ticket#165
by Chris Blount 26 Nov '10

26 Nov '10

Spent the last few days working on a new Vym icon. (Vym is used for mind mapping, btw) I felt the current one, attached to the ticket, was really hard to iconify. So why not just take a chance and totally redesign it? Which is what I did. After playing around with a dozen designs I finally settled on one. I would love to hear suggestions on ways to improve both the logo and icon. Left to do to adhere to tango standards 1. drop shadow 2. 1px outline on all sizes Thanks, Chris

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Re: [Design-team] design-team Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11
by Mohd Rukhairy 26 Nov '10

26 Nov '10

Hello everyone, I'm new here, and I haven't been active in any project so far, but the fedora rpg badge looks really interesting, and i hope that i could give a little help on that, especially on the design part. I'm looking forward to start working with everyone. Have a nice day. On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:19 AM, < design-team-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Send design-team mailing list submissions to > design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > design-team-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > design-team-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of design-team digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 2. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Misha Shnurapet) > 3. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei) > 4. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 5. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei) > 6. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke) > 7. Fedora RPG Badge (Fabian A. Scherschel) > 8. Re: Fedora RPG Badge (ppapadeas(a)gmail.com) > 9. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Jef van Schendel) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:07:19 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4CED8C97.80803(a)fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Jef, > > Am 24.11.2010 21:02, schrieb Jef van Schendel: > > So my suggestion is to put both of these concepts together and make one > > really fantastic Start page.:) > Here we go! :) > > > - We'd like to use the same footer across all the different Fedora > websites, > > so I think we should keep that. It's big and has a lot of content, but on > > the other hand it's content that fits really well on a Start page. Also, > we > > can remove the Release Notes, Join, etc links if we use that footer. > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > > > > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little > > closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I > > think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place > > looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there? > Sounds good to me. Have a look: [2] > > > > - I'm not sure what to do about the RSS feeds. Initially I resisted > against > > adding them, because I felt the page would go from a clean and simple > Start > > page to a full-blown hub. On the other hand, they contain a lot of good > and > > up-to-date information about what's happening in the community. What do > you > > (and others who want to join in!) think, are they valuable enough to > keep? > > Or is it a step too far? > Maybe we should talk about two different sites: > * welcome.fedoraproject.org > Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1] > This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's > intended as browser home page. > The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to > daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a > start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below. > > * start.fedoraproject.org > On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo > galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content > so no daily maintenance would be needed. > Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought > since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or > so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell > the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on > start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given. > > vinz. > > [1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png > [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: vinz(a)fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:04 +0800 > From: Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet(a)fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <47801290651184(a)web110.yandex.ru> > Content-Type: text/plain > > 25.11.2010, 06:07, "Vinzenz Vietzke" <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org>: > > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > I also think that a start page should be as clean as possible and only > contain a branded search bar [1], [2]. > > [1] http://www.google.ru/firefox > [2] http://firefox.yandex.ru/ > > 25.11.2010, 04:02, "Jef van Schendel" <jefvanschendel(a)gmail.com>: > > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little > closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I > think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place > looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there? > > Agree, a good place for switchers would be right under the search bar. > > -- > Best regards, > Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet > shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:03 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4CEE0FC7.2020201(a)nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 11/24/2010 10:02 PM, Jef van Schendel wrote: > > I made a mockup [1] which has the same content as the current Start > > page, but with the redesigned header and footer. Together with Sijis I > > put together a working prototype [2]. As you can see we added two RSS > > feeds to the page with announcements and Fedora Planet posts. > > > > Looking back I don't think I announced any of this on the Websites or > > Design Team mailing lists, which wasn't smart. After all, if it's not on > > the list, it didn't happen. ;) > > That's so true... :) > > > - I think the Board has talked before about changing the content and > > function of start.fpo, but I can't remember what the consensus was. This > > is why I kept the current content and only worked on the appearance > > (just like you did). I think that's the best way to go for now. We can > > always change it in the future. > > IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4CEE265C.1070305(a)fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > > IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > > An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > > on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > > other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > > other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > > the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but > IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as > reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good > efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for > new users we should have an eye on highest reliability. > > 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from > Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can > cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can > "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a > bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-) > At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that? > > 3) The search field in Firefox is nice for users which are used to it. > But for the absolutely new user a big friendly search box in the middle > is much more comfortable. > > vinz. > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: vinz(a)fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:42 +0200 > From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4CEE284E.90001(a)nicubunu.ro> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > On 11/25/2010 11:03 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote: > > Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > >> IIRC, there was no consensus reached. > >> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying > >> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some > >> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And > >> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when > >> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI. > > 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but > > IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as > > reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good > > efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for > > new users we should have an eye on highest reliability. > > This is the Board decision to make and I remember all those points were > raised in that discussion. > > > 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from > > Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can > > cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can > > "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a > > bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-) > > At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for > that? > > Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money. > > -- > nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:03:11 +0100 > From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <4CEE345F.9080808(a)fedoraproject.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Am 25.11.2010 10:11, schrieb Nicu Buculei: > >> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for > that? > > Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money. > > > Oh well... Should have thought of that. :) > -- > Vinzenz Vietzke > m: vinz(a)fedoraproject.org > wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz > mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:45:35 +0100 > From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab(a)sixgun.org> > Subject: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTin=HO0=EnHaOLaABGYzQzO6qRmrH2h6N2v3LAeE(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, folks! > > As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), > my > first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago. > Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing > skills.... > > http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png > > > Toodle pip! > Fab > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101125/2… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:50:41 +0200 > From: "ppapadeas(a)gmail.com" <ppapadeas(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTinUuSJSUGMKUrcR8KwvsKgWNvwT5FWrcnuft60Y(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel <fab(a)sixgun.org> > wrote: > > Hi, folks! > > As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage), > my > > first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time > ago. > > Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing > skills.... > > http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png > > Absolutely lovable! > > One little suggestion though... The "short tagline" should be on the > right side so the picture can be 100% of the height of the box. > > Still your panda is nice :P :) > > ~? > > > -- > Pierros Papadeas > PGP key: 0x6130DBF8 > http://pierros.papadeas.gr > pierros(a)papadeas.gr > liknus @ GRnet , Freenode > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:19:43 +0100 > From: Jef van Schendel <jefvanschendel(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage > To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTim=0Fy2d5cHJ=2yEAi2if0Zq_LtVzR48vZ0ZLFA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > 2010/11/24 Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz(a)fedoraproject.org> > > > > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or > > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like > > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with > > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this > > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality. > > > > Maybe we should talk about two different sites: > > * welcome.fedoraproject.org > > Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1] > > This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's > > intended as browser home page. > > > > Agreed on the rushing, that's definitely an issue. However I'm not sure a > compressed footer is the best thing to do, since that means we've got two > different ones and it'll be even harder to get them consistent across all > websites. Also, most of the links in your mockup footer are also in the > header on www.fpo. If we only want to have those, we could also use the > existing menu bar somewhere, as in [1]. > > I tried to get the search functionality front and center, without removing > the footer in [2]. We can easily make the footer stick to the bottom of the > screen, so it gets out of the way but is still there if you need it. By > putting the search bar right in the middle of the screen, it's still the > most prominent object on the page. > > Another option is to hide the footer a bit. I tried making that div's > position absolute and putting the top at 90%. Doing this, only the very top > part is visible on your screen and the rest when you scroll down. I'm not > sure that's a good option though, it looks quite strange, as if something > went wrong. > > > > The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to > > daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a > > start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below. > > > > * start.fedoraproject.org > > On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo > > galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content > > so no daily maintenance would be needed. > > Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought > > since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or > > so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell > > the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on > > start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given. > > > > Actually there's already a page that has most of that, the Community page > on www.fpo. We designed that just as you describe, as a kind of hub for > community information. > > Thus, I think it's best to keep all of that on the Community page, and > remove the feeds from start.fpo again. It really adds too much noise IMO. > > > Anyway, I'll give it some more thought next week. > > > As for the Google topic, those are all valid points but it's probably > something to discuss on a different list. For now, I think the content is > good enough: everybody is familiar with Google, and the CC filters add a > nice touch that for instance Firefox's search bar doesn't provide. I just > want to give start.fpo a quick facelift. :) > > Jef > > [1] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png > [2] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101125/6… > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > > End of design-team Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11 > ******************************************* >

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