I there a way to test new GIMP 2.7/2.8 in Fedora? I looked in Rawhide
repos and I still see only 2.6x versions there. Any plans to put 2.7 in
Rawhide repost for testing purposes?
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This is a reminder that our weekly IRC meeting is at 19:00 UTC today
(July 27) in #fedora-design on irc.freenode.net.
On the agenda:
- F14 artwork:
- today is the deadline for the alpha. Which wallpaper mockup should
we have checked in?
- how is the feedback gathering going? Any feedback from Fedora Forum?
- Fedora branding fonts:
- Luya will be packaging Comfortaa
- When we get Comfortaa packaged we should change the usage guidelines
- Ian will talk about potentially using Comfortaa in the FUDcon logo
- Other fonts - any more feedback on Cantarell or Droid Sans?
- New Design team join page (by Michael Beckwith)
- Emily made some changes, how do folks like them?
- Any other feedback?
- When should we copy it over to the main page?
- Fedora website redesign
- Content review status (Jef)
- Tutorial list (Ian McG)
- Pending mockup changes from last week:
- move the greyscale features to the features page
- use the four f's instead of the grey feature icons on the front
- Other UX projects
- Live USB Creator UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/146
- Installer UI https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/147
- add a community feature to the slideshow front & center
- add a section 'what makes fedora different' for current linux users
of other distros
- maybe the summary slide #1, community slide #2, then 2 or 3 more
slides to show the best new features in the current release
- Robyn's design team marketing plan
Has our first interview been completed yet?
- Open floor
We'll try to keep the meeting to an hour.
If you'd like to add items to this agenda, just reply to the email.
Below is a time conversion listing for folks who participated in the
meeting time selection process:
Luya: 12 PM
Tatica: 3 PM
Martha: 3 PM
Máirín: 3 PM
Onyeibo: 8 PM
fabsh: 9 PM
wonderer: 9 PM
Martin: 9 PM
Nicu: 10 PM
Pierros: 10 PM
Yesterday I met with Pam Chestek, Red Hat's Senior IP Attorney, about
some of the requested and proposed changes to Fedora's trademarks.
Here's a summary of our conversation; Pam promised she'd respond with
the legal bases and answer any questions you guys might have.
Part of the meeting was attempting to understand, just for my own
personal knowledge, how the heck trademark law affects how we use and
distribute our logo. If you guys have any questions on this, feel free
to ask and Pam will answer.
I may have messed up on a few things below, so IANAL, Pam will correct
me, etc. :)
== The Fedora logo ==
One of the things I've been spending time on is changing all the little
"TM" symbols to our new font, Comfortaa. It was formerly written in
Interstate, which is a commercial font, so we wanted to change that.
From both a brand and legal perspective, both Pam and I agreed that
changing the font for "Fedora" in the logo would not be a good idea,
because it is far more likely to confuse someone who sees the Fedora
logo than impress them that we now use a free font.
== The Fedora Remix logo (secondary trademark) ==
Because the requirements for the logo permitted more than just a few
different colors, it was deemed OK to consolidate the usable color
palette into the Foundations colors.
The same from above applies to changing fonts to Comfortaa in the Remix
== The Foundations artwork ==
Since the core part of the foundations artwork is not the text, but
instead the symbol within the bubble, it is OK to change the font for
the foundation names ("Freedom", "Friends", "Features", "First") to
Comfortaa. That's up to you guys to decide if we want to do that or not
(I'm for it).
== The FUDCon logo ==
Similarly to the Fedora logo, Pam strongly advised not changing the font
of the FUDCon wordmark. However, she did state that she was fine with
the text for the location of where the FUDCon is held may be changed to
We guys need to decide if we want to change the font for the location in
the FUDCon logo. I'm for it.
== On trademarks in general ==
As Pam mentioned during the meeting Tuesday, there are only registered
trademarks and unregistered trademarks. If we create a logo that
uniquely represents Fedora, it's still a trademark of Fedora (and
therefore Red Hat), and we need to do the best we can to protect the
usage of that logo.
Since we are a free software community, we need to walk the fine line
between protecting usage of the trademarks and allowing usage of the
trademarks as much as we can without tarnishing our brand.
We will write up some basic usage guidelines for the Foundations artwork
and the FUDCon logo, and place them on the brand guidelines page for our
team, the Board, and Red Hat Legal to approve. It is the eventual goal
to make sure that those get moved into the overall trademark guidelines.
== Logo distribution ==
All SVG files containing the Fedora wordmark or the Infinity design logo
will continue to be distributed by request by emailing
The remaining logos (at this point Foundations and FUDCon) will be
distributed through a tarball that may be downloaded via HTTP from
somewhere on fedoraproject.org. Although these logos are still Fedora
trademarks, Legal is not worried about rampant misuse of these logos,
but we will still be sure to enforce the proper use of our trademarks.
Ian Weller <ian(a)ianweller.org>
Where open source multiplies: http://opensource.com
Start End Name
Wed 26-May Thu 19-Aug Supplemental Wallpaper Submission Period
Wed 26-May Tue 07-Sep Supplemental Wallpaper Process
Tue 06-Jul Tue 27-Jul Wallpaper Design for Alpha
Tue 27-Jul Fri 30-Jul Finalize Alpha Wallpaper
Fri 30-Jul Fri 30-Jul Alpha Wallpaper Deadline
Fri 30-Jul Fri 30-Jul Blog About Alpha Wallpaper
Fri 30-Jul Tue 03-Aug Package Alpha Wallpaper
Tue 03-Aug Tue 17-Aug Solicit Feedback on Alpha Wallpaper
Have you found something that is working really well in your schedule?
Or maybe you've found something you believe would work better in the
Update the schedule retrospective page now to capture all of the
important details as they happen:
I started making up the type samples for font comparison, but I kept
thinking that something interactive would be more useful, so I made this
instead. Everyone go and try it out so we can pick a font already. :)
Here's the full url:
Let me know if there are any bugs!
I am thinking for quite some time about a "combined" Design-Team and
Marketing-Team FAD of some kind.
If I look around on the ML and also on IRC there are much overlapping
ideas, Talking points, goals, etc. so I think it would be a good time
after we grow good Teams to meet all together to discuss some main
points which concerns both Teams.
* Main Points (so far I can think of)
-- Design Templates: Design Presentation and other Templates to have
some base also for Marketing (e.g. Design Template for the Talking
Points, Press Kit, Presentation Template, poster, etc. -> same Theme)
-- User Research: how do the users "feel" with the Presentations, CD/DVD
Covers, posters, Banners, Marketing Material, etc. and also how good can
Ambassadors and others work with those materials? Do we need more / others?
-- Other Design Base Templates which should be adapted (e.g. a new event
or spin leads to a new bannerdesign leads to a new posterdesign leads to
changes if the Release is changing ...)
-- What does Marketing and PR need from Design - what does Design need
-- didn't we have the idea of a photobook some time ago...
* other thoughts
-- produce some base Templates and maybe workflow (e.g. if $event is
happening then $trigger > do Texta, Textb, Bannera, poster > timeline >
workflow > end) in ageneric way to addapt on a wide range of new
projects that can came up (new release, new spin, new SIG, new event,
etc.) ... because the work that have to be done is almost the same...
-- maybe work on longtime or pending tasks (e.g. Design Guide, etc.)
That also leads maybe to other Combined FADS .... but maybe more later
or not :-)
mit freundlichen grüßen / best regards
H. Heigl - wonderer(a)fedoraproject.org
haha! yes.. that was supposed to go to the design-team, I just hit
reply, and didn't even check the address. oops! :P
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:12 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 17:51 -0400, Emily Dirsh wrote:
> > Maybe it wasn't clear :P Actually, I meant that according to
> > wikipedia, droid sans has CJK support - but I haven't seen that
> > myself, so I'm not sure how accurate that is...
> > >From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droid_%28font%29:
> > The Droid Sans typeface consists of Regular and Bold fonts.
> > Droid Sans regular font includes support for Simplified and
> > Traditional Chinese, Japanese and Korean support for the
> > GB2312, Big 5, JIS 0208 and KSC 5601 character sets
> > respectively.
> Um, this message was probably supposed to go to the design-team list,
> right? It's probably my fault as I hit "reply all" with my previous mail
> and didn't checked that you're in CC... Sorry about that.
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Comfortaa packages is now submitted for review .
Be in mind that will be my first attempt to package fonts and there
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Graphic & Web Designer
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Logs that people may find interesting:
They're from an OSCON talk about a program at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_de_Kooning_Academy and how it's
using FOSS (both the tools/tech and the open source way of doing things)
as a requirement for its Masters students .
"We offer a Master programme focused on a critical engagement with the
culture of the Internet and computer media, their artistic design,
technology and theory. It is a small course with a highly international
community of students and teachers, and a strong emphasis on personal
contact and collaboration... Free and Open Source Software and
do-it-yourself ethic play a key role in the programme. Aside from its
obvious benefit of giving you... toolchains at zero cost, Open Source
software tends to be extremely modular, open to DIY and custom
applications. It gives value to seemingly outmoded hardware, and
provides you with building blocks for your own projects rather than
solutions that strongly preformat the function and aesthetics of your work."
They're very interested in talking more with the Fedora Design Team -
one possible framing is "do the tools, techniques, and etc. we're
experimenting with in our (physical) school transfer to distributed
online communities as well?" but mizmo may have other angles, as she
talked with them on IRC for a bit (as did tatica and ianweller).
They're very interested in tools and processes for collaborative design,
more than they are interested in direct replacements for existing design
software (so design hub,
http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/26/design-hub-update/, is more
interesting to them than "GIMP is like Free Photoshop! and so forth).
Immediate things for discussion at the meeting:
* Can we try out PickPic for them and let them know if it's a useful
tool (and if so, would Fedora folks be interested in helping with
coding/deployment, as this is a prototype written by artists who aren't
* Is anyone from Fedora Design interested in going to
http://makeart.goto10.org/call/ to meet up with them and figure out how
to start collaborating? (Poitiers, France, 4-7 November)
* Can someone reach out to these folks and see if any of their students
would like to do/deploy their projects within Fedora - contribute to the
Design Team as part of their coursework, or otherwise?
* Can someone reach out to them and get them to review the Design Suite
That's off the top of my head, for meeting discussion today.