On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Robyn Bergeron
<robyn.bergeron(a)gmail.com> wrote:
inode0 will be following up (or possibly beating me to the punch)
with
irc log of the meeting.
(08:00:06 PM) ***rbergeron looks around
(08:01:09 PM) ***lcafiero looks at rbergeron
(08:01:35 PM) ***ianweller looks out a window
(08:01:52 PM) ***inode0 tries to wake spevack up
(08:01:57 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:02:24 PM) inode0:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD_NA_2010
(08:02:35 PM) inode0: anyway, some of us are here to talk about FADNA
(08:02:39 PM) inode0: so let's do it
(08:03:04 PM) inode0: we have the beginnings of an agenda there now
(08:03:18 PM) rbergeron: yay!
(08:03:23 PM) rbergeron: are we logging
(08:03:26 PM) ianweller: ooh. this looks interesting
(08:03:45 PM) rbergeron: ianweller: are you out of school by then?
(08:03:49 PM) ianweller: i am
(08:03:54 PM) ianweller: i graduate the 16th
(08:03:54 PM) inode0: if someone else wants to I don't object, I don't
care enough to want to log this though to do it myself
(08:04:22 PM) rbergeron: lol
(08:04:27 PM) inode0: we have at least 3 main things going on
(08:04:34 PM) inode0: facilities which I can talk about
(08:04:35 PM) ***rbergeron would but her intarwebz keeps cutting out
(08:04:41 PM) inode0: agenda which is coming along
(08:04:57 PM) inode0: funding which we need spevack or someone else to speak to
(08:05:32 PM) rbergeron: well - we can probably follow up with spevack
on funding fairly quickly
(08:06:08 PM) inode0: a few comments then on facilities if that is ok?
(08:06:13 PM) rbergeron: go for it
(08:06:57 PM) inode0: I am hoping VRAC (the virtual reality center)
will host us but they are busy in the break and haven't made a
commitment
(08:07:38 PM) inode0: So I do have a commitment from the main IT group
on campus for really exceptional facilities if we need the,m
(08:08:07 PM) inode0: room holds maybe 60-100, so large but with
tables and some comfy chairs
(08:08:14 PM) inode0: two overhead projectors
(08:08:20 PM) inode0: two walls with whiteboards
(08:08:28 PM) inode0: lots of good room for us to use
(08:09:05 PM) inode0: hours will be limited to when the building is
open to the public
(08:09:20 PM) rbergeron: what times are those?
(08:09:24 PM) inode0: which mostly means we can't get in until 10am on sat/sun
(08:09:35 PM) rbergeron: ah
(08:09:41 PM) ***rbergeron is kosher with that ;)
(08:09:53 PM) inode0: that might be good blogging time or wiki gardening time
(08:10:05 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:10:06 PM) inode0: or recover from the night before time
(08:10:26 PM) inode0: so we have a place to work for sure
(08:10:46 PM) inode0: hotel I can't resolve until I know for sure who is coming
(08:11:02 PM) inode0: and the bit I put on the wiki about weddings
should shake out this week
(08:11:13 PM) ***rbergeron just saw that
(08:11:43 PM) ***lcafiero promises not to get married that week
(08:11:46 PM) ***rbergeron too
(08:11:59 PM) inode0: so if we can be armed with a firm attendee list
by midweek I think I can make reservations
(08:12:06 PM) inode0: or I hope I can
(08:12:29 PM) inode0: schedule generally that I had in mind was ...
(08:12:46 PM) inode0: thursday we wander in (some will wander in on friday)
(08:13:22 PM) inode0: friday we work, take a VRAC break in the middle
of the day if people want to do that, work, go out to eat
(08:13:33 PM) ***ianweller adds himself to the potential attendee list
at the call of rbergeron
(08:13:57 PM) inode0: saturday we work really hard, back to my place
for dinner/pool/relaxing
(08:14:36 PM) inode0: sunday have the morning to finish up things and
get people back on their way home
(08:14:57 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:15:26 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:15:33 PM) inode0: we should be able to arrange transportation for
most people
(08:16:05 PM) inode0: makfinsky is renting a car and arriving late
thursday (so if others can book times near then they can hitch a ride)
(08:16:40 PM) lcafiero: Where's makfinsky flying into/coming from? Do
you know, inode0?
(08:16:44 PM) inode0: I will be off work that day so can run down to
pick people up too
(08:17:03 PM) inode0: lcafiero: I don't recall, a work site so it
could be anywhere
(08:17:31 PM) lcafiero: Ah, OK. Just curious.
(08:18:03 PM) lcafiero: I seem to remember maybe hitching a ride with
herlo from Omaha, but I can check with him on that.
(08:18:14 PM) inode0: I think herlo wants to rent a car too, but I
think he isn't planning to come until Friday night late
(08:18:27 PM) lcafiero: I thought he took an extra day -- I'll check with him
(08:18:39 PM) inode0: yeah, he was thinking about that
(08:18:58 PM) lcafiero: OK, I'll talk to him.
(08:19:53 PM) inode0: ok did I mention lcafiero has a big topic not
yet on the agenda? hint hint
(08:20:15 PM) lcafiero: right, he does.
(08:20:20 PM) rbergeron: oh he does!
(08:20:33 PM) inode0: I think it is probably incumbent on everyone to
get some agenda stuff on the wiki
(08:20:59 PM) lcafiero: And it won't be in a palindrome either
(08:21:17 PM) inode0: funding is contingent on us doing useful stuff,
and we need to identify most of that useful stuff in advance
(08:21:46 PM) rbergeron: dude, that was the best ever, lcafiero :)
(08:22:39 PM) lcafiero: Right, actually it's a session on event planning
(08:23:11 PM) lcafiero: So more people can take the reins on events in
their area, or make up some of their own :-)
(08:23:24 PM) lcafiero: I'll agendize that this evening.
(08:23:32 PM) rbergeron: so basically an SOP of some sort
(08:23:33 PM) ***lcafiero got wrapped up with taxes and the like this week.
(08:23:59 PM) inode0: we don't call things that though :)
(08:24:08 PM) lcafiero: Well, guidelines moreso than standard
operating procedures.
(08:24:18 PM) inode0: and we don't really want to box ourselves in
(08:24:20 PM) rbergeron: okay :)
(08:24:27 PM) lcafiero: right
(08:24:53 PM) inode0: but we do want to evaluate every couple of years
whether our processes suck and where they do make them suck less
(08:25:08 PM) lcafiero: +1
(08:25:22 PM) rbergeron: well maybe that is an agenda item in itself -
review existing other processes and make sure they don't suck
(08:25:35 PM) rbergeron: or if we know of some that may - identify and fix them
(08:25:49 PM) inode0: there will be that in almost every topic I think
(08:25:50 PM) ***rbergeron notes some may already be on the agenda :)
(08:26:30 PM) inode0: rbergeron: since you have just gone through this
process recently ...
(08:26:49 PM) inode0: perhaps you could suggest how best to get the
topics/schedule organized
(08:27:15 PM) rbergeron: well - i think first off it would be helpful
if we have a generous scope of the time period it might take for each
topic we identify
(08:27:25 PM) rbergeron: and if any of them have dependencies on each
other - that would help
(08:27:27 PM) inode0: and inode0 is getting tired of typing :)
(08:27:52 PM) rbergeron: so i'd suggest that maybe we all add to the
wiki what kind of time duration each of the agenda items might take
(08:28:11 PM) rbergeron: the last thing we want to do is shoot
ourselves in the foot with grand schemes of getting wayyy too much
accomplished
(08:28:31 PM) rbergeron: so - if we can all do that - i'll go through
and suggest an actual agenda for friday and saturday
(08:28:54 PM) rbergeron: and then we can review that for maybe 5-10
minutes at this week's ambassador meeting, if there is time available.
(08:29:10 PM) rbergeron: and people are agreeable to that idea.
(08:29:10 PM) inode0: lcafiero: while you are doing your addition
tonight would you add a column for a time estimate too?
(08:29:45 PM) rbergeron: the number one thing we really need in the
agenda is a clear description of what we want to have as a deliverable
(08:29:58 PM) rbergeron: something that can be documented with results
- not just
(08:30:10 PM) lcafiero: Yes.
(08:30:18 PM) ***lcafiero makes a note
(08:30:19 PM) rbergeron: "we had a really dandy discussion on X" -
unless the deliverable from that is -everyone- is going to write a
really detailed blog post on it
(08:30:57 PM) rbergeron: at the end of the fad we should be able to
come up with a concrete list of things we did and that we fixed
(08:31:09 PM) rbergeron: rather than a list of things we didn't get to
because we didn't use our time wisely or plan properly
(08:31:15 PM) rbergeron: </soapbox> ;)
(08:31:22 PM) rbergeron: (just from my recent experiences, grin)
(08:31:29 PM) ianweller: rbergeron: you're sounding an awful lot like
mchua, what's gotten into you
(08:31:30 PM) ianweller: ;)
(08:31:41 PM) rbergeron: ianweller: i'm in clone training, what can i say
(08:31:46 PM) rbergeron: ;)
(08:31:55 PM) lcafiero: how can we be sure it's rbergeron and not mchua? :-)
(08:32:03 PM) ianweller: we may never know
(08:32:05 PM) ***ianweller looks around the room
(08:32:06 PM) rbergeron: ooooh. spooky.
(08:32:21 PM) rbergeron: if i drop the SOP-bomb a few more times -
you'll know for sure :)
(08:32:30 PM) ***rbergeron hugs mchua from afar
(08:32:57 PM) inode0: ok, here is my main concern at the moment
(08:32:59 PM) rbergeron: are we anticipating any other agenda items?
(08:33:02 PM) rbergeron: oh, go ahead
(08:33:02 PM) inode0: yes
(08:33:07 PM) ***rbergeron yields to inode0
(08:33:21 PM) inode0: we are basically 5 weeks out from this event
(08:33:57 PM) inode0: attendees need to know about financial
assistance really soon to book flights and such
(08:34:54 PM) inode0: with the exception of 3 people exempt from that drudgery
(08:35:00 PM) lcafiero: and such
(08:35:16 PM) inode0: flight, trains, whatever
(08:35:31 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:35:40 PM) lcafiero: heh.
(08:36:01 PM) rbergeron: so - we should all go in and individually
price out tickets and add those estimates to our names in the list
(08:36:29 PM) inode0: and flight times please so we can try to match
up ground transportation
(08:36:34 PM) rbergeron: we're assuming a sunday afternoonish departure
(08:36:35 PM) inode0: or know what we are facing
(08:37:16 PM) inode0: I think we should figure hard stop at 1pm for
official work so flights post 4pm work
(08:37:32 PM) inode0: that hard stop can be moved back if necessary
(08:37:44 PM) lcafiero: Agreed.
(08:38:58 PM) inode0: ok, so we are going to focus on clearly defining
deliverables
(08:39:11 PM) inode0: get details about costs and times for transportation
(08:39:38 PM) inode0: add more topics as we see fit and add estimates
of time to spend on them
(08:40:22 PM) inode0: once that is done corner max
(08:40:44 PM) ***rbergeron is writing a mail with all this stuff in it
(08:41:07 PM) ***inode0 was thinking he might just mail the log of
this to everyone on the list
(08:41:08 PM) ***lcafiero is getting his max-cornering net ready
(08:41:55 PM) rbergeron: inode0 - you can mail the log, i'll mail my
notes - how does that sound :)
(08:42:08 PM) inode0: you can append the log in a PS :)
(08:42:28 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:42:45 PM) inode0: any questions or concerns beyond mine?
(08:43:31 PM) lcafiero: none from me
(08:43:39 PM) rbergeron: nada.
(08:43:41 PM) rbergeron: well
(08:43:44 PM) inode0: ianweller: we can run up to Northern Iowa and
see their basketball court if you'd like :)
(08:43:55 PM) ianweller: you would :)
(08:44:00 PM) rbergeron: when do we want to have the agenda and
approximate budget ready
(08:44:06 PM) rbergeron: by ambassador-meeting time this week?
(08:44:22 PM) inode0: that would be great
(08:44:28 PM) rbergeron: okay
(08:44:30 PM) ianweller: i'll just make sure to wear my KU shirt that day
(08:45:03 PM) ***rbergeron laughs
(08:45:05 PM) lcafiero: heh
(08:45:59 PM) ***inode0 is EOF
(08:46:12 PM) ***rbergeron as well
(08:46:50 PM) lcafiero: same here
(08:47:11 PM) inode0: I think if we have enough detail for max so he
can deal with it next week we are in good shape
(08:47:25 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:48:04 PM) ***inode0 notes to buy a panther t-shirt for ianweller
(08:48:15 PM) inode0: rawr
(08:48:44 PM) lcafiero: You're relentless, inode0
(08:49:18 PM) inode0: ok, thanks everyone, I have a feeling me maybe
should do this again but lets see how things look on Wednesday
(08:49:32 PM) ***rbergeron nods
(08:50:00 PM) inode0: lcafiero: I'm old, I'll forget about in another 5 minutes
(08:50:30 PM) rbergeron: lol
(08:50:49 PM) lcafiero: Good deal, inode0 -- thanks for organizing this.
(08:50:52 PM) inode0: can I go make nachos now?
(08:50:59 PM) lcafiero: only if you share them
(08:51:04 PM) rbergeron: yes. send out the log and i will reply back
with summary :)
(08:51:18 PM) inode0: oh, you want me to send the log?
(08:51:24 PM) inode0: ok
(08:51:40 PM) inode0: but I really need to eat something now
(08:51:58 PM) ***inode0 wanders off
(08:52:12 PM) ***rbergeron grins
(08:54:59 PM) ***rbergeron is off to target
(08:56:27 PM) ***lcafiero will join #fedora-ambassadors, which is
already in progress.
(08:58:04 PM) ***rbergeron sent out her summary
(09:00:39 PM) ***inode0 forgot to mention the 1st annual FADNA 7-ball tournament