Feb 29 23:03:21 <fugolini> good, i think we can start Feb 29 23:03:29 * spevack just got out of his previous meeting Feb 29 23:03:41 <fugolini> Please call roll: Feb 29 23:03:50 <fugolini> FrancescoUgolini Feb 29 23:03:53 <RodrigoPadula> fugolini: rodrigopadula@gmail.com = Gtalk ocarado102@msn.com = MESSENGER Feb 29 23:03:58 <jmbuser> JohnBabich Feb 29 23:03:59 <spevack> MaxSpevack Feb 29 23:04:00 <iWolf> JeffreyTadlock Feb 29 23:04:01 <AndreasR> Andreas Rau Feb 29 23:04:09 <RodrigoPadula> Rodrigo Padula Feb 29 23:04:38 <fugolini> Good, we are enough :) Feb 29 23:04:51 <fugolini> First of all: Meeting Agenda Feb 29 23:05:07 <fugolini> 1. Chair comunications Feb 29 23:05:17 <fugolini> 2. Max comunications Feb 29 23:05:43 <fugolini> 3. other questions (if we will have time) Feb 29 23:05:57 <fugolini> ok, first issue Feb 29 23:06:06 <fugolini> I will be brief. Feb 29 23:06:41 <fugolini> As you read we will have weekly meeting, instead of biweekly Feb 29 23:07:55 <fugolini> ones, so we will try to organize ourselves to help people who have time problem to join them at least two times a month Feb 29 23:08:08 <fugolini> Have you questions? Feb 29 23:08:29 <fugolini> I think all it's clear we will discuss, if it would be necessary, in the list Feb 29 23:08:31 <iWolf> ? Feb 29 23:08:39 <fugolini> iWolf: Feb 29 23:08:48 <iWolf> It is going to be Friday? Feb 29 23:08:51 <iWolf> eof Feb 29 23:09:46 <fugolini> We could rotate from friday to another day (please visit FAmSCo meeting calendar to add your preferences) Feb 29 23:10:13 <fugolini> But i think i took a lot of time, now i think we have to hear what Max has to say. eof Feb 29 23:10:16 <fugolini> spevack: Feb 29 23:10:29 <spevack> ok, well i have probably a few things to say Feb 29 23:10:36 <spevack> so feel free to just jump in any time with questions or comments Feb 29 23:10:51 <spevack> I ask myself "what is the best service that FAMSCO can provide to the Ambassadors community" Feb 29 23:11:00 <spevack> and i ask myself Feb 29 23:11:11 <spevack> what are the opportunities that famsco has *today* that it did not have one year ago Feb 29 23:11:31 <spevack> one of the things that I have always wanted famsco to take an active leadership role in Feb 29 23:11:46 <spevack> has been directly giving resources to local ambassadors Feb 29 23:11:56 <spevack> and then holding those ambassadors accountable for how they use those resources Feb 29 23:12:01 <spevack> in the past, this was very difficult Feb 29 23:12:06 <spevack> there was limited budget Feb 29 23:12:11 <spevack> and all of that budget kind of went through me. Feb 29 23:12:19 <spevack> Now, many of these problems have gone away Feb 29 23:12:30 <spevack> So I would like to start by talking about the "Ambassadors and Events" budget for the coming year Feb 29 23:12:36 <spevack> and make sure that all of FAMSCO understands it Feb 29 23:13:00 <spevack> *then* we can talk about how we will (a) maximize the usage of that budget and (b) how we will "prove" that we generated value for Fedora from that budget Feb 29 23:13:03 <spevack> any questions so far? Feb 29 23:13:24 <spevack> ok Feb 29 23:13:29 <fugolini> go on, i'm understanding Feb 29 23:13:29 <spevack> everyone go here Feb 29 23:13:29 <spevack> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Expenses Feb 29 23:13:50 <spevack> there are several line items in that budget that DIRECTLY impact Ambassadors Feb 29 23:14:03 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Feb 29 23:14:04 <spevack> The first are the "large events" that we specifically make separate entries for Feb 29 23:14:11 <spevack> FUDCon @ Red Hat Summit in Boston Feb 29 23:14:17 <spevack> Large FUDCon in Europe Feb 29 23:14:26 <spevack> Fedora @ Linux Conf .AU Feb 29 23:14:32 <spevack> Fedora @ FISL in Brazil Feb 29 23:14:35 <spevack> Fedora @ LinuxTag Feb 29 23:14:38 <spevack> Fedora @ FOSDEM Feb 29 23:14:48 <spevack> The role of FAMSCO here is relatively straightforward Feb 29 23:15:01 <spevack> (1) Ensure that there are *local* teams that take the organizational responsibility for these events Feb 29 23:15:07 <spevack> For things like LinuxTag, this is done. Feb 29 23:15:18 <spevack> For things like FISL, we have guys like Rodrigo who have taken leadership roles. Feb 29 23:15:29 <spevack> For something like Linux Conf .AU, the "local leader" is less clear Feb 29 23:15:41 <spevack> and identifying people and empowering those people is something FAMSCO can help with. Feb 29 23:15:56 <spevack> In *each case*, someone from the Red Hat Community Architecture team is also responsible for helping to make this happen. Feb 29 23:16:10 <spevack> The Red Hat community architecture team is me, Greg DeKoenigsberg, and Jack Aboutboul. Feb 29 23:16:23 <spevack> Greg is focusing on Latin America -- he has been working with David barzilay and Rodrigo about FISL Feb 29 23:16:29 <spevack> My focus is going to be on Europe Feb 29 23:16:52 <spevack> in fact, Red Hat will be moving me to live in Europe so that I can devote myself entirely to being the community leader and community builder for Fedora and Red Hat in EMEA. Feb 29 23:17:19 <spevack> The Asia community is less clear -- there are a number of people in that region who have lots of energy -- and one of our challenges will be to make sure the budget for Linux Conf .aU is well spent Feb 29 23:17:19 <warren> spevack, wow Feb 29 23:17:27 <spevack> but that is all i want to say about the big shows right now Feb 29 23:17:31 <EvilBob> Rock On Max! Feb 29 23:17:38 <spevack> a second area where FAMSCO can be a *HUGE HELP* is in the line item that says Feb 29 23:17:44 <spevack> "Global Events and Swag" Feb 29 23:17:56 <spevack> the budget for this item is modest -- $12k USD per quarter Feb 29 23:18:07 <spevack> but that is still *much more* than we have ever had to spend on general global event coverage than before. Feb 29 23:18:15 <spevack> in *my* opinion Feb 29 23:18:34 <fugolini> you are right Feb 29 23:18:38 <spevack> our goal should be to make sure that the FedoraEvents page is as complete as it can be, and that every single event on that page receives some level of support from FAMSCO Feb 29 23:18:43 <spevack> Famsco's job is Feb 29 23:19:00 <spevack> (1) identify a leader for each event -- again, the focus should always be on empowering local people to organize Feb 29 23:19:27 <spevack> (2) figuirng out the level of resources that each event needs, and *balancing* those requests to map to the budget that we have set aside Feb 29 23:19:37 <spevack> *this* is the area that we have always failed at before Feb 29 23:19:55 <spevack> FAMSCo could never make decisions of "Event A is more important than Event B" because it was never clear what the total budget was Feb 29 23:20:10 <RodrigoPadula> ! Feb 29 23:20:11 <spevack> But now it is clear -- $12k per quarter for everything that is not otherwise noted Feb 29 23:20:17 <spevack> I'll stop now and take questions -- my fingers hurt Feb 29 23:20:23 <fugolini> RodrigoPadula: Feb 29 23:20:36 <RodrigoPadula> in Brazil we have a lot of bi regional events Feb 29 23:21:07 <RodrigoPadula> one in the Amazonic states .... another in the Northeast Feb 29 23:21:16 <RodrigoPadula> Central Feb 29 23:21:23 <RodrigoPadula> and South = FISL Feb 29 23:21:44 <RodrigoPadula> in october or november we will have tha Latinoware Feb 29 23:21:56 <RodrigoPadula> a Latin American big event in FOz do Iguacu - Brazil Feb 29 23:22:21 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: are all of those on the FedoraEvents page? Feb 29 23:22:27 <RodrigoPadula> yes Feb 29 23:22:46 <RodrigoPadula> in this year i would like to realize the II Latin American Ambassadors and Users Conference Feb 29 23:23:11 <spevack> i think that is all excellent. Feb 29 23:23:28 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 29 23:23:28 <RodrigoPadula> i have support from the event organization for 4 Latin american Ambassador (probably Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Mexico) Feb 29 23:23:39 <RodrigoPadula> and for 2 Brazilian Ambassador Feb 29 23:24:00 <RodrigoPadula> including: hotel, air tickets and others Feb 29 23:24:23 <RodrigoPadula> so, can we add this event in the BIG EVENTS LIST ? Feb 29 23:24:44 <fugolini> With the same budget for each one? Feb 29 23:24:45 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: here is what we can and should do Feb 29 23:25:06 <RodrigoPadula> we need budget to booth, midias and others stuffs like banners, flyers Feb 29 23:25:26 <spevack> (1) the "big events list" for this year has been set. It is what you see. But, I think it is in the best interest of *all Fedora Ambassadors* to have FAMSCO take the $12k USD for "global events and swag" and turn that into a more specific list Feb 29 23:25:35 <spevack> much in the same way the engineers do Feb 29 23:25:37 <spevack> for the Feb 29 23:25:39 <RodrigoPadula> in my opinio... the LATINOWARE is most important local event in South America Feb 29 23:25:41 <spevack> features that go into Fedora Feb 29 23:25:43 <RodrigoPadula> more than FISL Feb 29 23:25:54 <spevack> RodrigoPadula: i wish you had told us that long ago :) Feb 29 23:26:05 <spevack> FAMSCO needs to say: Feb 29 23:26:08 <spevack> in public Feb 29 23:26:11 <spevack> to all ambassadors Feb 29 23:26:18 <RodrigoPadula> is the same Feb 29 23:26:20 <spevack> "here is the money we have to spend" Feb 29 23:26:24 <RodrigoPadula> like 5.000 Feb 29 23:26:26 <spevack> and we will make our decisions based on the FedoraEvents page Feb 29 23:26:43 <spevack> does that make sense? Feb 29 23:26:49 <RodrigoPadula> ok Feb 29 23:26:52 <fugolini> yes, i really agree with you Feb 29 23:26:54 <spevack> FAMSCO's job is to (1) prioritize events Feb 29 23:27:04 <spevack> (2) resource those events based on priority Feb 29 23:27:13 <spevack> (3) determine the metrics that are used to judge whether an event was successful or not Feb 29 23:27:25 <spevack> (4) learn from the current year when it comes time to plan for the next year Feb 29 23:27:35 <spevack> (5) Always seek to put accountability into the hands of Local Ambassadors Feb 29 23:27:48 <spevack> we have separate meetings now for North America, Europe, etc. Feb 29 23:27:54 <spevack> FAMSCO must tie those all together. Feb 29 23:27:59 <spevack> EOF Feb 29 23:28:14 <fugolini> great Feb 29 23:28:39 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 29 23:28:41 <fugolini> Have you qestions (before mine)? Feb 29 23:28:56 <RodrigoPadula> eof Feb 29 23:29:10 <spevack> well Feb 29 23:29:12 <spevack> my last comment is Feb 29 23:29:32 <spevack> what we are going to do week by week to achieve those 5 goals. Feb 29 23:29:44 <spevack> but that is actually dividing up work. first we must agree on the goals :) Feb 29 23:29:59 <fugolini> i want to ask just few things about this plan: Feb 29 23:30:40 <spevack> go ahead Feb 29 23:30:54 <fugolini> the parameters we will use to prioritize will be decided by FAmSCo, Feb 29 23:31:49 <fugolini> after we have to make metrics Feb 29 23:32:03 <fugolini> with those ones. Feb 29 23:32:11 <fugolini> *we will Feb 29 23:32:16 <fugolini> it's right? Feb 29 23:32:40 <fugolini> because to make metrics we need some parameters Feb 29 23:32:47 <fugolini> eof Feb 29 23:32:50 <spevack> the question we must ask is this: Feb 29 23:33:02 <spevack> if we spend any amount of money to go to hold a fedora event Feb 29 23:33:04 <spevack> anywhere in the world Feb 29 23:33:09 <spevack> what did we get out of it? Feb 29 23:33:21 <spevack> if people come to our booth, take a CD, leave, and never even install Fedora Feb 29 23:33:24 <spevack> then it was a waste Feb 29 23:33:30 <spevack> if a few people install Fedora, then there is minimal value Feb 29 23:33:40 <spevack> if we can make even 1 person *passionate* enough about fedora Feb 29 23:33:56 <spevack> that they want to join our community and move from being a *consumer* to a *producer* then we are beginning to be successful Feb 29 23:34:00 <spevack> similarly Feb 29 23:34:11 <RodrigoPadula> +1 Feb 29 23:34:18 <spevack> there is huge value, in my opinion, to having a few larger events that are used as a place for all Fedora people in a region to come toger Feb 29 23:34:22 <spevack> er, together. Feb 29 23:34:27 <spevack> things like FUDcon or Fedora Ambassador Days Feb 29 23:34:35 <spevack> the *positive energy* generated at those events Feb 29 23:34:41 <spevack> is the energey that keeps the community going Feb 29 23:34:46 <fugolini> yep Feb 29 23:34:59 <spevack> but in short, Francesco Feb 29 23:35:01 * ldimaggi_ (n=ldimaggi@nat/redhat/x-291c7c0c6ce91645) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:35:09 <spevack> if someone says "I want $1000 for event Foo" Feb 29 23:35:17 <spevack> we need to know what they intend to "get" for their $1000 Feb 29 23:35:30 <spevack> and how they will demonstrate that it was a good decision for us to give it. Feb 29 23:35:38 <spevack> and this is the same thing that I face Feb 29 23:35:43 <spevack> to get the budget from Red Hat Feb 29 23:36:03 <spevack> if I cannot go back at the end of the year and prove the value of doing all these things, then they will say "what is the point of having max here?" :) Feb 29 23:36:17 <fugolini> ok, i understood :) Feb 29 23:36:28 <RodrigoPadula> +1 Feb 29 23:36:31 <spevack> this is why Event Reports are so important to me Feb 29 23:37:22 <RodrigoPadula> can you create a Report Template for this ? Feb 29 23:38:09 <spevack> I would like someone to ask the community "if you are the leader of an event, what is the way that you want to report back to the community the results of that event" Feb 29 23:38:15 <spevack> and a "report template" will come out of that discussion Feb 29 23:38:16 <RodrigoPadula> so, i can send to you all report from past to tje future events Feb 29 23:38:20 <fugolini> i was working on a "video" guide for ambassadors, one of the topic i want to explain is how to make a good report Feb 29 23:38:23 <spevack> does someone want to take this action item? Feb 29 23:39:04 <fugolini> i think it would better to list all the tasks Feb 29 23:39:12 <spevack> fugolini: ok. Feb 29 23:39:15 <fugolini> thanks Feb 29 23:39:31 <spevack> so maybe i should say "are there more questions on what i have said. or should we move on to other topics so i don't steal the whole meeting?" Feb 29 23:39:45 * DanseMakabre (i=pat@bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:40:16 <jmbuser> ! Feb 29 23:40:18 <fugolini> go on Feb 29 23:40:23 <AndreasR> thanks max, for me the next option is fine Feb 29 23:40:26 <fugolini> jmbuser: Feb 29 23:41:19 <jmbuser> spevack: What I understand is that this part of the push (which I think is a good thing) t measure what can be measured, am I right? Feb 29 23:41:34 <spevack> jmbuser: yes Feb 29 23:41:38 <spevack> the way i see it Feb 29 23:41:48 <spevack> in the past year we had enough budget to do "a few things" Feb 29 23:41:59 <spevack> now we have argued for several times that budget Feb 29 23:42:11 <fab_a> hi guys Feb 29 23:42:18 <spevack> but with that additional money comes a requirement to be more rigorous in determining how well we are spending the money :) Feb 29 23:42:29 <jmbuser> spevack: agreed Feb 29 23:42:30 <spevack> but doing it in a way that is palatable to the community Feb 29 23:43:16 <jmbuser> spevack: That was my point - we have to remember to keep the ideals of the community foremost in our minds at the same time Feb 29 23:43:29 <spevack> jmbuser: Absolutely. Feb 29 23:43:38 <spevack> jmbuser: by accepting leadership roles in the community Feb 29 23:43:39 <jmbuser> eof Feb 29 23:43:41 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:43:54 <fugolini> we can move on Feb 29 23:44:05 <spevack> we have a responsibility to serve both the community, but also to understand that Daddy Shadowman holds people like me and Greg accountable Feb 29 23:44:13 <spevack> so the Fedora leaders are the bridge between the two Feb 29 23:44:22 <spevack> which is a hard job, but a rewarding one Feb 29 23:45:11 <spevack> may i say one more thing? Feb 29 23:45:14 <spevack> to all of you Feb 29 23:45:16 <fugolini> sure Feb 29 23:45:21 <RodrigoPadula> sure Feb 29 23:45:25 <AndreasR> sure Feb 29 23:45:30 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 29 23:45:34 <spevack> I am very excited about the fact that Ambassadors in general has more opportunities (because of more budget) to do things all over the world this year Feb 29 23:45:40 <spevack> but one of the things i have been thinking a lot about Feb 29 23:45:44 <spevack> and worrying a lot about Feb 29 23:46:06 <spevack> is how we can do this in a way where power and responsibility can be taken out of my hands and given directly to you guys Feb 29 23:46:13 <spevack> i don't want to just sit here and say "here is how it will be" Feb 29 23:46:28 <spevack> I want to help you guys build that relationship with all of Fedor aambassadors worldwide Feb 29 23:46:42 <spevack> (it just so happens that part of my job will be specifically to help out in Europe) Feb 29 23:46:43 <spevack> so i need you guys Feb 29 23:46:50 <spevack> to tell me the best way that I can be useful to you! Feb 29 23:46:59 <spevack> so far, all i have done is gotten a bunch more money Feb 29 23:47:07 <spevack> but i need you to tell me what i should do with it, to some extent :) Feb 29 23:47:18 <spevack> EOF Feb 29 23:47:23 <AndreasR> +1 Feb 29 23:47:59 <fugolini> Yes, i think you are right. Maybe we have to make this relationship more durable than FAmSCo one, we stay on charge only a year Feb 29 23:48:05 <fugolini> and we need continuity. Feb 29 23:48:18 <RodrigoPadula> +1\ Feb 29 23:48:31 <fugolini> Someone trusts on us but can we guarantee for the future? Feb 29 23:48:51 <fugolini> i think we have to define strictly our jobs into the FAmSCo Feb 29 23:49:23 <fugolini> but moreover if we Feb 29 23:49:42 <fugolini> will start this experience i think we will have the attention of all community Feb 29 23:50:00 <fugolini> and the greatest people will be able to distingush themselves Feb 29 23:50:02 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("I intend to live forever - so far, so good.") Feb 29 23:50:38 <fugolini> as you say we have to make our work clear and i think people will help us Feb 29 23:50:44 <RodrigoPadula> this year will be a great year for Fedora In Brazil and in all Latin American, i will send more informations at FAMSCO's list Feb 29 23:51:34 <fugolini> Max, i can assure that this FAmSCo will be a good partner Feb 29 23:51:58 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 29 23:52:13 <fugolini> today you give the course, now we have to be able to follow this Feb 29 23:52:28 <spevack> fugolini: i have huge faith in all of you Feb 29 23:52:41 <spevack> we will work together Feb 29 23:52:45 <spevack> and work transparently with all ambassadors Feb 29 23:53:39 <spevack> fugolini: what is the next topic? Feb 29 23:53:50 <fugolini> we will continue the discussion over the "tasks" in the M-L Feb 29 23:53:58 <RodrigoPadula> I am trying to represent well the Fedora in latin america. We are developing and evolving throughout America with a wide exchange of experiences! Feb 29 23:53:58 <RodrigoPadula> I am leading several initiatives and ideas. I think they can be copied by many countries to create local and regional communities Feb 29 23:54:13 <fugolini> Just to things Feb 29 23:54:17 <fugolini> *two Feb 29 23:54:59 <fugolini> 1. Feb 29 23:55:41 <fugolini> fabian sent an email with some Feb 29 23:56:07 * gvarisco_ (n=gvarisco@nat/redhat/x-1c31cde41234ff73) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 29 23:56:18 <fugolini> obsolete pages that we have to update, personally i will try to update as more as possible but it's necessary the help of the people Feb 29 23:57:06 <fugolini> 2. Feb 29 23:58:18 <fugolini> For the Ambassadors Award we need some metrics before Feb 29 23:58:46 <fugolini> and i think the events metrics could be a good base to make community metrics Feb 29 23:59:23 <fugolini> I know some people aren't happy to see this, but it's a natural step for a project that it's evolving Mar 01 00:00:02 <fugolini> 3. We will create the first poster with Ambassadors Thougt Mar 01 00:00:35 <fugolini> now i have just to define with Nicubunu the layout (he is helping me in this initiative). Mar 01 00:00:52 * gvarisco_ has quit (Client Quit) Mar 01 00:01:17 <fugolini> It would be better to see in each booth the "Ambassadors Voice" poster (with cool graphics) Mar 01 00:01:43 <fugolini> Now it's your time, i think nothing is more important than max issue Mar 01 00:02:03 <fugolini> i think the next meeting will be different Mar 01 00:02:25 <fugolini> if we consider the new way FAmSCo will assume Mar 01 00:02:27 <spevack> i would like us to use this week to think about "concrete" tasks that we want to do with Ambassadors Project Mar 01 00:02:36 <spevack> talk on the mailing lists Mar 01 00:02:44 <spevack> and next week see what gets the most support Mar 01 00:02:45 <fugolini> sure, i'm just thinking :) (really) Mar 01 00:02:48 <spevack> and figure out how to implement it Mar 01 00:03:20 * spevack has fingers that hurt from so much typing Mar 01 00:04:03 <fugolini> good, i invite all FAmSCo members to send their ideas Mar 01 00:05:05 * fab_a is now known as fabian_a Mar 01 00:05:06 <fugolini> i think if nobody has something to say we can adjourn the meeting Mar 01 00:05:16 <fugolini> 3 Mar 01 00:05:23 <fugolini> 2 Mar 01 00:05:28 <spevack> thank you all for coming Mar 01 00:05:30 <fugolini> 1
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