This mail is a reminder for today's meeting for the French speaking community.
2012-06-18 / 20:30 (hour of Paris)
Ce mail est un rappel pour la réunion de la communauté francophone, qui aura lieu ce lundi (18 juin) à 20h30 heure de Paris sur IRC (freenode) #fedora-meeting-1 .
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FYI, a friendly reminder, the next weekly APAC meeting = Saturday, June 23rd, 2012 at 04:00 UTC. :)
* Please be prompt and we will address priority issues first in order to save time.
Afterwards, we will review our APAC Plan for 2012 as well as what SWAG
for example, such as F17 media and others that you need for the future.
* We are using a new agenda format "so" update the agenda with your relevant information. ;)
Our APAC Team as always fully supports you and I hope that your schedule permits attending our APAC meeting. :)
you are not able to attend the meeting, then please, update the meeting
wiki and let the wiki "speak" of updates on your behalf. That is what I
do and I strongly suggest this as an option for you. :)
Day : Saturday, June 23rd, 2012
Time : 04:00 UTC
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Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
- David -
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Please join us for our weekly FAmNA meeting this Tuesday at 9:00pm
Eastern in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net.
I'd like to remind everyone that it is important for us to get some work
accomplished at these meetings and staying on the topic is important
to that end. All comments are welcome from ambassadors during the
meetings but please wait until the Open Floor to add any subject matter
not included in the meeting agenda via a ticket.
Feel free to add to the agenda. The easy way to add an agenda item is
described at the bottom of this announcement. Especially if you have an
event coming up that needs some attention.
This week's current agenda is to finish planning for the Red Hat
== Meeting Agenda ==
=== Announcements ===
Time for brief announcements.
=== Tickets ===
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Please read through each ticket in advance so you can be prepared to
discuss them at the meeting.
=== Open Floor ===
Unscheduled topics can be raised during the open floor if time
permits. Discussion of any topic will generally be more productive if
participants know about the topics in advance and have some time to
think about them, so please add your topics to the meeting agenda in
the ticket system when possible.
If you would like to add a topic for discussion at our meetings please
open a ticket at
and set its milestone to meeting.
First, please forgive me for the X-post. The email concerns more than
one team and I really didn't know what mailing list to send it to. I've
therefore sent it to the 3 major lists that I hope would cover most of
We've been recently looking to reduce the learning gradient that new
folks need to hike up when they look to contribute to Fedora. Users
looking to give back to the community is amazing. I feel we need to go
out and give them as much help as we can. The importance here is that
most of them will be new to the workflows, SIGS, teams and processes
that Fedora community uses. Quite a few of them will be new to Linux
even. For these novices, learning all that is required to become
contributors is a daunting task. However, what is important is that all
of them have the *potential* to make awesome contributors!
At the moment, this is how folks go about it:
1. Look at the join-fedora page
2. Select what they want to do, or randomly pick one that looks
3. Join the various mailing lists
4. Ask how they can help
5. Start working, and learn while they work, get sponsored etc.
Even though this works, there are a few issues here IMO:
1. Quite a few folks aren't sure what they want to do. The join
fedora page is confusing for them at times. They don't know first hand
what each role is about, so they aren't sure if they should join up SIG
A or SIG B. This doesn't make them "folks that can't contribute (they
can't even figure out what SIG to join! heh!)". It makes them "folks who
need to find where they fit in, what they're good at in the Fedora
2. The various mailing lists: devel, mktg, infra are work oriented.
While we do guide newcomers that ask for help on the lists, these
newcomers are usually scared to ask questions. They feel they'll make
fools of themselves if they ask simple questions in front of established
Basically, the working mailing lists aren't exactly the best
environment for new comers. They are task oriented. They aren't
dedicated to aiding new comers. We also don't want lots of introductions
etc. on the work mailing lists either. We want them to be dedicated to
I therefore suggest setting up communication channels dedicated to
aid newcomers. I've already run into a "Welcome SIG" initiative. The
"welcome SIG" was intended to be more broad. It was intended for users
too. If we set up "welcome SIG", I'm afraid it'll turn into another
troubleshooting channel. We already have #fedora, the users mailing
list, askfedora for troubleshooting. I'd like to set up a channel
dedicated to prospective contributors: something like a "Join Fedora
SIG"(proposal on the wiki here). Gnome already has something on these
lines: the Gnome Love project. It works. I'm on the mailing list.
People ask for help, they get their guidance. Slowly, they turn into
contributors. I'd like to again stress that the current mailing lists,
while already present and open to the public are not *dedicated* to this
purpose of guiding newbies. I suggest:
1. #fedora-join on Freenode
2. fedora-join mailing list
The goals of these are:
1. Set up a communication channel between the existing contributors
and prospective contributors. Speaking to current team members is always
encouraging. We could even set up a system to send "easyfix" tasks to
this mailing list giving folks a chance to work on them and learn in the
2. Guide/aid prospective contributors to turn into solid
contributors. Rather than just pointing them to join.fp.o, talk to them,
see what issues they face, help them decide where they want to get
3. Via these channels, form better mentor-mentee relationships.
Here, I mean "mentor" in the real sense of the word. Rahul, for
instance, brought me into Fedora almost 6 years back via a font
packaging IRC work shop. He's still my mentor and I still email him when
I get stuck in a situation. Such relationships improve the community,
both work wise and fun wise.
4. Give prospective contributors a communication channel to converse
amongst themselves. This is very important. Take the GSoC mailing list
for instance. It is set up specifically so that the candidates can talk
to each other. Since they're all in the same boat, they feel more
comfortable discussing certain issues amongst themselves. They'll also
be aware of what different people are up to which will give them a
better idea of what they can do.
I'm looking to set up this channel. Whatever I've written above is
mostly what *my* neurons could think up. I initially thought that
extending the classroom SIG to also function as the Join Fedora SIG
would work, but Kevin suggested we keep them separate. (The function of
the classroom SIG is for the community to teach each other). Basically,
I'd like to look for potential, not polish. We can help them gain the
polish that established contributors have.
What are your views on this folks? Here, I'd request folks to follow
"plussing": please criticize this as much as you want, find issues, but
only if you have a "plus" to give as a solution. (I ran into it in a
book I recently read. I think it's a great way to go. No harm giving it
a try :-) )
1. File ticket at infra to set up fedora-join mailing list
2. Set up IRC channel #fedora-join
3. File ticket with websites SIG to make tiny changes to join.fp.o
to list Fedora-Join IRC and mailing list channels.
4. Ask infra if we can set up a system to send "easyfix"
notifications to the channel/mailing list.
5. Get started!
Please only print if necessary.
This is probably the first time in Malang there are Fedora Release Party
Event, Fedora users in Malang are not as many as other distro users, so it
was natural that not many events held by us.
Sunday (10/6) at the Information Technology Laboratory, 5th Floor Gedung
Kuliah Bersama (GKB) 3 at University of Muhammadiyah Malang (UMM), Fedora
17 "Beefy Miracle" Release Party was finally held.
The event itself started a bit late, delayed about 50 minutes away from the
original plan. Promptly at 9:50 AM the event started. That's not the
committee fault anyway, because at 9 AM the committee is already prepared,
only the participants who came rather late.
How lucky, friends in KaliUMM (Linux Users Group in UMM) can simply
improvise, to fill the silence they play several short films/video clips
about Linux and open source.
When the participants had arrived, the chairman of KaliUMM, Yudhi directly
open the event. The first opportunity given to Zen Rooney, chairman of
KOLAM, who stepped forward and introduced KOLAM (Linux Users Group in
After that, it was my turn to bring material on Fedora, I regrouped into
three topics: Fedora Project, Fedora 17 Features and Common Installation
On the first topic, Fedora Project, I invited the participants to know more
about the Fedora community, not just known fedora as a linux distribution
(distro). How this community that supported by Red Hat has contributed
greatly to the development of Linux in particular and the world of Open
Source in general. I also explained about fedora's core value: freedom,
friends, features, first.
I emphasize how important collaboration and how the fedora developers are
always trying to work as close as possible to the upstream project. That is
not important for fedora to have unique application, rather than became
exclusive application in a single distro, an application will be much more
useful if it is available in many distro (can be used by many people)
I was slightly introduced on the terms "Remix" and "Spins" and what purpose
and give them some examples.
I did not forget to invite the participants to join the fedora project and
I was informed about the Fedora Indonesia Community.
Because not many participants that are fedora users, when I talk on the
topic of "Fedora 17 Features" I did not linger to discuss what's new in
Fedora 17 but I would rather talk more about the other powerful features
that have long existed in the fedora. Presto, SystemD, SELinux, PackageKit,
Kickstart is a few of the many features that I think is interesting. And
here, I was mention again how unselfish fedora developers is, they want to
communicate and collaborate with developers of other distributions to
developing PackageKit. And how fedora to be a pioneer distro that adopt
SELinux, a kernel security feature developed by the NSA (National Security
While in the last topic of "Common Installation Tips", I explain what steps
should be done after we install fedora. I was again reminded why fedora by
default do not support the mp3 format and do not include proprietary
software like nvidia drivers, dropbox, skype, etc.. Indeed, we as end users
feeling a bit "uncomfortable" because we should install many application
from 3rd party repository.
For simplicity, I suggest to install fedorautils, autoplus and gnome tweak
You can download my presentation slide from SlideShare or Scribd if
Aris Setyono from KaliUMM start to demonstrating the internet radio using
Icecast 2. Yudhi in the introduction was informed that this is one of the
research activities that have been done by KaliUMM.
These steps are demonstrated very easy to follow. Hopefully there are
participants who are interested to participate in this internet radio
implemented in their respective places.
Last turn, Rachmad Tsalaatsa guide the Webserver Load Balancing workshop.
The workshop begins with an explanation of what it is load balancing, the
types, how it works, the algorithms used, etc.. Continued by the
participants directly involved attempting to install and configure load
balancing on each desktop that has been provided by the committee.
This event was closed by party, taking picture, eating hotdog and drinking
accompanied by the strains of house music.
Thank you for KaliUMM, KOLAM and all the participants who have attended the
event. See you again at the next events :)
Photo documentation can be downloaded from:
- photos from Rachmad's camera 
- photos from My camera 
This event plan is already in fedora wiki 
You can read this report at my blog in Bahasa Indonesia 
[ dheche ]
seems like the discussion steered to the phase of no return to the
reasonable output, also it stalled - so we (as a Board) would like
to push it forward.
I think the best idea for now is try to get interested people to
meet together, to check if there's real demand for the change and
if so, to start with the real proposals to create a new process.
I created Doodle poll - the next two weeks, I can add more option,
just it's not very user friendly. Feel free to vote and we will
----- Original Message -----
> At the last Board Meeting, the Board looked at the poll results
> whether people felt like continuing to name releases. The results
> to show that many people do like having a name associated with Fedora
> releases. However, the discussion before and after has shown there
> a desire to improve upon the current method of selecting the names.
> The Board decided that it would be worthwhile to come up with a new
> procedure for selecting the name for the Fedora 19 release and beyond
> attempt to solve some of the issues that have been brought up. The
> is looking for volunteers who would like to do two things:
> (1) Answer the following questions:
> * What benefits does the Project get from the current release naming
> * What changes do people want to see in a revised process?
> (2) Come up with at least one proposal and analyze it according to
> answers to the previous questions.
> If anyone is interested in coming to a weekly meeting to work on
> please feel free to contact me. If anyone would like to champion
> please contact me ASAP so I know whether there is someone else who's
> to champion this or if I need to lead the effort.
> I've put up a wiki page that tries to summarize the answers to the
> first two
> questions that I've seen circulated on the advisory-board mailing
> list and a
> link to the only proposal I currently know of (mizmo's proposal to
> a single theme for all of the new Fedora releases).
> advisory-board mailing list
My fellow ambassadors,
there are two meetings scheduled for tomorrow:
* the EMEA ambassadors meeting at 20:00 UTC
* the FAmSCo meeting
We are having problems with both. :(
The ambassadors meeting conflicts with Germany vs. the Netherlands
soccer match. I totally have to watch this, sorry. It would be awesome
if somebody else can take over the meeting. Otherwise I suggest to delay
the meeting by one week.
After watching soccer with my friends I am either too euphoric or too
disappointed - and too drunk either way - to run the FAmSCO meeting. ;)
But this is not so much of a problem as there are no urgent tickets and
we first need to find a new meeting time after the recent FAmSCo
elections. For the record, here is what we currently have: