On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Alexander Bisogiannis
<alexixor(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 28/07/16 00:13, Chris Murphy wrote:
> That's nonsense. You're basically saying leveraging
hardware features
> is persona non grata, everyone should just accept mediocre power
> management, which is precisely what we already have in even the best
> case let alone the worst case, compared to smart phones. Of course
> this should be better, and of course it should involve the user far
> less than it does.
We are comparing smart phones to laptops now?
Why does a DE for desktops and laptops compare it self with a smart phone?
Connected Standby / InstantGo is precisely making that comparison, is
an attempt to get the benefits of mobile power management onto
laptops.
> I don't understand this desire to manually futz with things,
except
> that it suggests the automatic thing isn't working correctly, in which
> case it's a bug that should be fixed. But an option to manually do
> things just because, that's not convincing to me at all. There are all
> kinds of power managements events that are happening in firmware that
> you have no control over, and wouldn't want control over.
>
>
I don't understand why functionality was removed before the new
functionality was ready.
I don't follow what's been recently removed. If it's a comparison
going back to the pleistocene, some way to separately control
brightness on battery vs AC, I don't see that as a hill worth dying
on.
You are arguing for something that is not possible yet in Linux, but
you
have removed the previous UI nevertheless?
No I'm arguing for things that exist in other distros, e.g. powertop
(or tuned if that works better, I haven't used it), and hibernation
being supported out of the box.
I think it's great there's an effort to bring discrete/integrated GPU
graphics switching into Fedora. For the hardware that defaults to the
discrete GPU being on, that'll certainly improve battery life.
I am sorry but the real Linux desktop, the one that people pay real
money
for, includes tweakUI, a poweroff button, screen brightness UI etc.
*shrug* I'm not seeing a noteworthy deficiency in this area. The
biggest related issue(s) I have is, automatic brightness (enabled by
default and I can and have disabled it) has a couple edge cases where
the built-in display is turned off like on log out, and goes to
maximum brightness at other times, it's nearly the opposite of what
I'd expect, and haven't been able to figure out what the pattern even
is, so I've turned it off. However, even off, something is still
sensing what action to take, and it's spamming the journal, since
that's consistent I did file a bug about that.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1359481
You might argue all day about non issues that become issues because
of your
opinion, but the fact is that there is *no* way that a paying customer would
tolerate a system where they could not control the above.
The only thing in your list I don't have, and don't miss, is tweakUI.
So I suspect you're wrong that I wouldn't tolerate this in a payed for
OS. I happen to use such OS's and I can assure you that people
routinely pay for having LESS features (called clutter). More visible
functionality is not inherently good, it can be bad, in fact it can
make something completely mindnumbing and irritating as hell to use.
You will say of course that this is fedora not RHEL, but the fact is
that
Gnome3 as shipped with RHEL has reversed every single one of the above
decisions.
So next time, when *a lot* of people complain you should listen, else the
paying people will complain and then there will be problems.
Well I think we're off the rails because so far there's one person
complaining about the loss of separate brightness adjustment when on
battery and when on power, compared to a reported much larger volume
of users who didn't like the behavior.
--
Chris Murphy