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How can I get rid of "Other" user
Will future ugrades\updates remove this by default?
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In anticipation of the corresponding upstream change, I have just built
a change to the GConf schemas in libgnome to not show icons in menus and
buttons by default anymore.
This change may take a little while to get used to, but I hope that most
people will come around and appreciate the less cluttered desktop.
I just pushed a set of changes to the desktop-effects repository on
fedorahosted to add support for GNOME Shell.
The basic idea can be seen in the screenshot attached - instead of a
single "Enable Desktop Effects" button, the user is now presented
with a three-way choice of "Standard" "Compiz" and "GNOME Shell", with
short explanations for each. As before the choice is instant-apply and
when the user is switching to a compositor, they are presented with a
count-down dialog that they have to click on to confirm their choice.
UI suggestions, small and large, appreciated.
The dialog will be split out of the compiz-gnome package into a
separate package required by both compiz-gnome and gnome-shell.
If compiz-gnome or gnome-shell is not installed the option is simply
not shown. It would be neat to instead have a
"Not installed. _Install Now_" message with a package-kit enabled
A) I'd have to implement it
B) I'm not completely sure that we want to make it quite that easy
to try out GNOME Shell with out any context. If people have
to read about it somewhere and install gnome-shell as a separate
step, then they'll have the opportunity to get some context.
C) I'd have to implement it
Longer-term, maybe even in Fedora 13, the idea is that desktop-effects
goes away. Switching between gnome-panel/metacity and gnome-shell will
be done through standard GNOME dialogs, for as long as gnome-panel
is still supported. gnome-shell won't have the inter-distribution
differences that made a unified switcher to Compiz impossible.
For Compiz, Fedora should stop using the GConf plugin and ship a Compiz
that is more natively "Compiz" and uses the standard Compiz
configuration tools. Presumably those tools already provide the
opportunity to switch your session to use Compiz, if it is not currently
running, or will do so in the future.
First time I run a command for a package I don't have to install, I have
to wait for a really long time for the whole file list to be downloaded.
This is not really going to be a good first impression. Since this
plugin is now by default in Rawhide, I was wondering if there was any
plans to fix or workaround the problem.
It is none of my business to comment this MTA, but in my view the space on the Live CD is the least problem.
It is a matter of security. This MTA has nothing to do on the Desktop.
Everything which is intended to ease the user sooner or later becomes a drawback... at least the experience shows this.
Another week, another Fit and Finish test day.
This time around, we want to look at printing.
Both Marek Kasik and Tim Waugh have kindly agreed to be around, so we'll
have sufficient expertise for all of the printing stack.
Drop in #fedora-fit-and-finish on Freenode on Tuesday, Aug 14, to join
in the fun.
I've just added a new subpackage in the polkit SRPM called
polkit-desktop-policy. This package will add two new system groups (the
trailing _r signifies these are really roles, not ordinary groups)
The patch is here
It works like this
1. If the desktop_admin_r group is non-empty, then users in the group
are used for administrator authentication - see the polkit(8) man
page for details:
If the desktop_admin_r group is empty, we just ask for the root
For example, the following is a screenshot where the users davidz
and bateman are in the desktop_admin_r group:
2. Second, if you are member of the desktop_admin_r group, then you
should be allowed to do a lot of things without being interrupted
by authentication dialogs. This part isn't complete, for now, it
org.gnome.clockapplet.mechanism.* - set timezone and system time
org.freedesktop.devicekit.disks.* - all storage related things
org.freedesktop.RealtimeKit1.* - run real-time processes
but we probably want to allow installing trusted packages, install
trusted updates and remove packages. Without asking for a password.
Probably more - Richard?
3. Third, if you are a member of the desktop_user_r group then you
should be allowed to do a number of things - not as much as the
desktop_admin_r role, but things like setting the time zone. For
now, we only include
A couple of notes
- As we add/remove mechanisms (e.g. privileged apps using polkit), we
need to update this package. That's fine.
- For this to be really useful, we need the User Account Editor that
Matthias wrote about here
Sadly no work has been done on this yet. Anyway, the main point is
that we can add something like this
(*) Standard User
( ) Administrative User
to this tool. We can also add more roles, e.g. "Restricted User" and
also tailor policy for the mythical guest account.
- This is opt-in. If you don't want to use this, just don't add any
users to the desktop_admin_r or desktop_user_r groups. Heck, just
uninstall the package. Second, other third-party packages can
easily override this thanks to how the polkit local authority works
(see the pklocalauthority(8) man page for details).
- This should put an end to the (IMO misguided) request "please add
first user to the 'wheel' group". The new 'wheel' is
'desktop_admin_r' and the new sudo(1) is pkexec(1).
(Of course sudo(1) will still continue to work but it is not what we
officially want to support. PolicyKit is, however)
- With support in the OS installer for automatically adding the first
user to desktop_admin_r, we should be close to actually doing
installs without the concept of a root password...
Of course this is not 100% useful until a) the OS installer knows about
this; and b) we have an User Account Editor. But it is 90% there.
Finally, Matthias, can someone please add polkit-desktop-policy to the
default desktop install? Thanks.
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