desktop September 2007

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Status of compiz(-fusion) for KDE
by Sebastian Vahl 27 Sep '07

27 Sep '07

What's the actual plan for the kde side of compiz? I was asked some time ago to replace beryl with compiz(-fusion) on the KDE-LiveCD. ATM compiz is lacking a configuration tool (former beryl-settings) and also maybe a switcher for kwin <-> compiz (Kevin Kofler is investigating these atm). And there are also some (maybe dumb) questions: - Will compiz(-fusion) obsolete beryl in the future? - Is there a equivalent to beryl-manager that may be usuable for switching kwin<->compiz (like beryl-manager does for beryl)? Sebastian

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Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Behdad Esfahbod 25 Sep '07

25 Sep '07

On Thu, 2007-09-20 at 23:17 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix > > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give > > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. > > > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask > > again next year? > > I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in? /me too. > ~m -- behdad http://behdad.org/

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panel launchers
by Matthias Clasen 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

I have built my preferred-apps-panel-launcher code into rawhide now. Let me know if you see any problems with it. Matthias

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current desktop spin
by Matthias Clasen 24 Sep '07

24 Sep '07

Hey Jeremy, looking at a livecd spun today, I notice a number of issues: 1) rhgb is installed and on the kernel cmdline, but does not come up 2) didn't we decide to put nss-mdns on the livecd ? 3) my iso ended up at 726M, something must have grown considerably in the last few days

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early-gdm redux ( I am sorry my way is better faster... for a desktop )
by Jon Nettleton 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

I understand there are a lot of smart people with a lot of great ideas trying to make the boot process faster stronger better. I am sure their stuff will be great when it is done, but for right here and now I think my way is the best out of the box, for a desktop. Then again who really cares how a server boots up, that should happen at most twice a year if the systems administrator is any good. Here is my Fedora 7 clean desktop and what happens. All default things I install and use. I will give some comments. S04dkms_autoinstaller <- already talked about on the dev list. I have the code on my machine that does this when the kernel rpm is installed if a dkms module fails to compile it uses grubby to fail boot to the old kernel ( needs user notification and some way to re-run dkms with updated packages and decide if it should boot the new kernel ) S04readahead_early <- in my new config actually slows down boot. I want to move this code to a really early that runs from rc.sysinit before gdm/rhgb starts S05kudzu <- in my config could theoretically be an X app with a lot better gui S06cpuspeed <- gone. I dumped the cpuspeed daemon and have moved everything to use the in kernel governors and modules. I need a better interface for this but for now I load all the modules in /etc/sysconfig/modules and set ondemand as the default. This configuration allows you to change the governor or statically set the cpu freq through the gnome applet. S07iscsid <- useless without network connectivity moved to a dispatcher.d script S08ip6tables <- can be set here but should also be restarted by dispatcher for future location change switches S10network <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S11auditd S12restorecond S12syslog S13irqbalance <- not needed yet ( do we really need processes balanced on processors until we are doing anything? ) S13iscsi <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S13mcstrans S13rpcbind <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S13setroubleshoot S14nfslock <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S15mdmonitor <- not needed yet ( This is desktop if we are running a raid can wait until we have a gui to know abou tit ) S18rpcidmapd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S19rpcgssd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S22messagebus <- I think the system messagebus should be moved to my early-gdm config. start it up way early, everything uses it and it isn't like it should be turned on and off. S25bluetooth <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth devices are detected S25netfs <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S26hidd <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth devices are detected S28autofs <- should be started by udev/hal if appropriate bluetooth devices are detected S50hplip <- should only be started if cups has a printer setup that uses it. Possibly run by udev/hal. S55cups <- This is a background process for the desktop. Until there is a gui printing is worthless. S55sshd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S56xinetd <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher (maybe?) S58ntpd <- removed for a desktop install. Everything handled by NetworkManager S90ConsoleKit S90crond <- dumped I am using fcron S90xfs <- gone S95anacron <- dumped I am using fcron S95atd <- dumped I am using fcron S96readahead_later <- should be run through gdm PreFetchProgram directive for a desktop S97dhcdbd <- gone with NM 7.0 S98avahi-daemon <- removed for a desktop install. Handled by NetworkManagerDispatcher S98haldaemon <- should be way earlier in the boot process for a desktop S99firstboot S99local So what do we get with my setup. GDM is the first thing out of nash that starts. In the Init portion of gdm we start up rhgb and then wait unit it ends to start the greeter. This means we can stop rhgb anytime in the init process and login. I choose to stop it at S50. So I put all my "essential" desktop services pre S50 and all my server/post login services after S50. This gives me. rc.sysinit (I also move the acpi module section to /etc/sysconfig/modules ) /etc/sysconfig/modules/ acpi.modules cpugov.modules kvm.modules udev-stw.modules -> Starts system dbus -> early-gdm -> defers scheduled fsck's to shutdown ( still working on a good gui for this ) S11auditd S12restorecond S12syslog S13mcstrans S13nscd S22messagebus S25bluetooth S30haldaemon S35fcron S40dhcdbd S41NetworkManager S42NetworkManagerDispatcher Here we get the "parallel" boot that everyone talks about. Based on whether the network is up or down we get. S04iscsi S05iscsid S10ntpd S15autofs S16netfs I have both these scripts checking if necessary rpc services are running and starting them if necessary. S15sshd S20avahi-daemon S25avahi-dnsconfd S60iscsi-target S45ConsoleKit S50GDMGreeter ( yeah we can login ) S55cups S60mysqld S61httpd S64lm_sensors .....this list can be any other services that are non-essential to login. S99local There it is short sweet. No fancy magic other than change some text and symlinks. It gives cpugov and speed control in userspace and fixes problems with network services dying when NM changes networks ( Dispatcher restarts things that helps clean up bad states ). Of course the services based on hardware aren't there, however that should easily be added to existing udev rules. On my Athlon 2500+ with a 7200 pata drive 8MB cache I go from power on to signon in 37 seconds, from grub selection I am between 28- 30 seconds to login screen. This method isn't perfect, but it works and takes no extra software. Things can be made better by make rhgb use two way fifo pipes so the entire init process can be redirected to it's vte, and we can export the early-gdm X-server so exitsting text/X processes can use X instead of ncurses. I am just proposing an option to something that doesn't exist yet. Jon

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Re: [Long] Do we need a font SIG ?
by Dimitris Glezos 21 Sep '07

21 Sep '07

Στις 20-09-2007, ημέρα Πεμ, και ώρα 23:17 -0400, ο/η Máirín Duffy έγραψε: > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > I created a mockup wiki page to try to make all this clear > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicolasMailhot/FontMatrix > > It's far from complete, but I hope it's complete enough to give > > everyone an idea of the potential SIG scope. > > > > So, who wants to play? Is Fedora ready for a font SIG or should I ask > > again next year? > > I'm in! Let's not let this thread die! Who else is in? I'm definitely in. -d -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ "He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) --

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enable themed lock screen by default
by Rahul Sundaram 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Hi Has #subject been done in GNOME in rawhide? If not, is that still the plan for Fedora 8? Rahul

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KDE 4 plans
by Rahul Sundaram 20 Sep '07

20 Sep '07

Hi Just for comparisons http://news.opensuse.org/?p=219 https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKde4Plan Does the KDE SIG plan on a KDE 4 experimental live image? Rahul

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Desktop SIG meeting
by Matthias Clasen 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Just a quick reminder that we are meeting again today, 18:00-19:00 UTC (2pm-3pm EDT). Possible things to talk about include the pre-test3 state, current breakages, and maybe some outlook on what plans we have beyond F8. Matthias

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Current Xorg behavior is unfriendly at best
by Arthur Pemberton 19 Sep '07

19 Sep '07

Ever since the behavior of having Xorg guess resolutions has been implemented, I have little to no luck with it. Of at least 6 fedora installs I've done since then it has never guessed a resolution that is comfortable (for lack of a better word) and on some occasions it has required rebooting into runlevel 3 - not exactly a problem, but not very friendly. That ranges from desktop to laptops, native to VM ( Parallels ) and standard to widescreen displays. It has deterred a computer savvy friend of mine from using Fedora because on both attempts, installation went fie, but Xorgs choice of resolution through his LCD into panic in which it turns off (forgot the message it prints) - again, fairly easy for me to fix, but he doesn't know how exactly and so has put it of, busy people. Most annoying to me however is that I must put on my monitor, at least before the gdm/kdm or i get a bloated, unusable resolution, it as simple as Ctrl+Alt+Backspace but it is still quite annoying. I had set several modes, now I have it down to just `Modes "1280x960"` and still that behavior continues, I'm not sure why it doesn't trust my xorg.conf. I have a ViewSonic PF790 display and my Smolt UUID is 'a141fbad-6bc1-419a-a5e7-1c247d90184a' if that helps. I should add that it did guess right on my laptop, but that might be because my laptop only does 1024x768 and 800x600 - limited options Arthur Pemberton -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com )

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