So our situation with music players is a little bad. Right now in the
menu we have "Music Player" and "Audio Player". The first is Rhythmbox,
the second is XMMS. A user new to Fedora is going to be baffled by this
- it's like having two clocks.
Ideally we would only have one music player. I'm hoping to get
Rhythmbox in good enough shape for FC3 that it can replace XMMS for most
What I'm curious of is comments by people who still use XMMS, and why.
What are the most important things to you that need to be fixed in
On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 12:33, Mariano Draghi wrote:
> I wonder if someone arround here can confirm if the fedora-desktop list
> is having any problem (since almost 2 days ago...)
> I'm not getting posts; and the list archive at www.redhat.com hasn't any
> post either since Apr 26th.
> That's puzzling me, because the other lists are working just fine.
> I'm reading the lists through Gmane, but if the official archive at Red
> Hat is not updated, I suppose it's not a Gmane (NNTP) problem.
There just haven't been any posts; all of Red Hat was out of town, and I
guess nobody else had anything to say ;-)
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Well... it seems like we have some small issues in the future path of
the fedora core desktop (not only for fedora actually).
1) Menus. More is not the best solution, so it's out. We should try to
create a replacement, because in some situations the menus are
2) How many applications doing the same thing do we need? Having too
many applications can be confusing. A new user (especially one that
comes from another OS or from an old Linux distribution version), would
be confused and might not make the optimal choice for his situation.
Think of how many music players we have, how many editors, how many mail
clients. Should all these be in the equivalent of the now deprecated
X-Red-Hat-Base? Should we even show all the applications we have
installed or just the popular ones? A Microsoft style hide unused
entries would be practical? Are there any other solutions, such as 2/3
level menu tree?
Try and suggest also some other QUESTIONS and a date for a virtual
meeting on irc to find/discuss answers to these. I don't recommend
answering these questions right here/now. An irc chat would be more
appropriate. Also if you want to have a chat on this, think of the time
differences around the world (I'm in GMT+2), because it's evening when
you guys have lunch, and it's waaaay past mid-night (closer to morning)
when it's evening for you.
These being said, I looking forward to a productive mind-storm on these
topic, and not only.
Razvan Corneliu C.R. "d3vi1" VILT <razvan.vilt(a)linux360.ro>
Digital Vision - linux360 - Vision Project Maintainer
I've closed our internal desktop discussion list for new posts.
Here are the topics we've discussed recently that should have been
1. Java/Mono - I moved this discussion to fairly public places ;-)
Best to keep it off this list.
2. Hardware autoconfiguration.
General goal is to autoconfigure hardware without user
intervention or writing to /etc. This is the hal/dbus/
Project Utopia stuff. http://ometer.com/hardware.html
3. Deployment scenarios that avoid per-machine state, including
read-only root fs copied from a central image, thin clients,
and so forth. There was a discussion of this on fedora-devel.
We don't have very detailed ideas yet.
4. Media players, Colin just posted on this.
5. Details of rearranging menus
6. Daniel Veillard is hacking on a per-user daemon to replace
the FAM system daemon, primarily motivated by SELinux
(FAM system daemon lets you violate the security boundaries)
7. The gconf multiple login question, which everyone is already
familiar with sadly... Mark was having a look.
Our OS desktop discussion is less than you might think, since most
topics fall into an upstream project such as GNOME. If you're interested
in the Fedora desktop I'd definitely recommend watching the
project-specific forums as well.
Hope this is helpful. Feel free to ask about specific development
I would suggest the kolab server.
KDE Client available
Full KDE integration under development (Kontact)
supported by Aethera
Outlook Connectors are available
(currently working ones are from companies like Bynari etc.)
(some projects are working on opensource MAPI connectors)
A Webclient based on Horde is under development (probably that will be
integrated into horde mainstream)
Currently only OpenPKG rpm's are available (except Mandrake)
It requires an LDAP Server, so it's probably not a solution for little
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>When using up2date to update XMMS to 1.2.10.....what happens to the old
>rpm? gets deleted?
>I installed FC1 on a P Celeron 1.1GHz/384RAM. When inserting a CD, I see
>the the FC1 CD player reading the track but no sound......same with
>XMMS....haven't try Rythmbox.....
>I check the sound card and I do hear the nice gitar sounds..My experience
>with Linux FC1 is a garnd total of 20 hours.....including installation..
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> What I'm curious of is comments by people who still
use XMMS, and why.
> What are the most important things to you that need
to be fixed in
Well, I think Rhythmbox is good enough.
I just think it is too complicated for me.
I never felt eager enough to manage all these
With xmms I can just type "xmms
Artist_Directory/Some_Album_Directory" to play the
album or "xmms some_song.mp3" to play the song (or
"xmms *.mp3" to play all the songs in the directory).
Rhythmbox cannot do things like that, can it?
Actually, I never create playlists, nor I use Juke
Boxes. I just don't need them, because I store music
arranged in directories.
More generally, I am not comfortable with the idea
of removing popular Linux applications from the Fedora
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Well the problem is not the mounting and the icon popup's in the gnome desktop.
That works with no problem, i'm just trying to find an icon, for an app that i'm trying to do, that deals with usb storage devices.
From: Nils Philippsen <nphilipp(a)redhat.com>
To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <fedora-desktop-list(a)redhat.com>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 11:05:53 +0200
Subject: Re: Usb storage icon.
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 02:05, Nando wrote:
> does anyone have made or have seen a icon, that could apply to a usb
> storage device? Like a usb pen drive.
> Giving preference to an approach to the bluecurve theme.
On FC1 or FC2test, put an entry (doesn't matter what, a bind mount will
suffice) into /etc/fstab that mounts something on /mnt/memstick. Mount
it and if you run GNOME, it will have a nice PCB like icon for it.
Unfortunately the one for /mnt/flash is rather boring -- where is it
configured what icon gets used for what mount point?
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