After installing something resembling a Rawhide system and filing plenty
of bugs in the course of action, I set myself onto testing PulseAudio
today. I was quite scared by the amounts of configuration (some of it
non-trivial) and changes to applications to get PulseAudio working as
the main sound system (ie. with all applications talking to ALSA-libs
talking to PulseAudio, talking to the ALSA backend).
I wanted to have an esound replacement first, so that beeps and warnings
could go through PulseAudio, and not hinder the other applications using
I encountered a bunch of dependency problems:
Then a warning (which I don't think is critical to testing):
And finally, the big problem, an assert trying to play back some sound:
I think this is still the best course of action for F7, given some work
to 1) make PulseAudio work (as it doesn't right now for the above), 2)
some integration with the GNOME sound properties so it spits out the
sound events on the right device.
What are the thoughts on installing Wine by default in Desktop and KDE
spins for Fedora 7? It might make it more easier for migrations and
heterogeneous environments if we installed and integrated with Wine by
So, I compared the LiveCD manifest against the Desktop (from Test1)
manifest. Here's a list of things we should consider for the live -
obviously, most of this won't fit (not sure if *any* of it will), but
we should at least think about it and make decisions. Sorted into
somewhat random categories:
Stupid CLI but useful
Potentially broken without
Things we want/need to install (even if they aren't running 'live')
Is dialup dead?
Desktop things that might be useful
We need to decide
livecd has xchat
desktop has xchat-gnome
I've been playing to see how much more we can fit on the live
CD for test 2.
First, I eliminated docs from the livecd with a patch to
Then, I started adding and removing things. Based on Jeremy's
test1 configs at http://people.redhat.com/katzj/f7live/, I
made the following changes:
This yields a 678MB Live CD, so we've still got a decent
amount of room for changes.
(SRPM for fedora-livecd attached)
Installed FC6 w/ all updates. The laptop has special function buttons
S1, S2, Volume, and optical drive eject. Does FC6 support these? How do
I set them up.
If this is the wrong forum, the question becomes "Can you suggest one?"
Along with looking at things to add, we probably want to look
at things to remove. So, some suggestions:
- emacs (!)
- one of gimp/inkscape?
Unfortunately, the best way to clear out space that I can see
is switch to latin, indic, and cjk liveCDs. Which... yuk.
Given the F7 schedule was pushed back one month I thought perhaps we
could spend this time on polishing stuff.
It looks like gnome-screensaver already drops a directory Pictures
in /etc/skel/Pictures  to ensure that the user gets the directory
~/Pictures. Personally, I'm a big fan of having pre-made directories in
a new users home directory. Mostly because it allows us to patch our
applications so they open the file chooser in the right directory.
I think we ought to do more of this. I also think we ought to formalize
So someone last week brought forward the idea of a gnome-filesystem
package that put files in /etc/skel. This package would provide
plus perhaps a few others.
This brings back the good old discussion of whether we should use
localized names; e.g. if the users preferred locale is, say, Danish then
perhaps the user perhaps would expect
- fact of the matter is that many programs today already hardcode paths
like ~/Pictures (gnome-screensaver, f-spot at least ) and ~/Music
(banshee at least; possibly Rhythmbox too).
- We've already have a precedent with ~/Desktop and, ugh, it shows in
Nautilus as "Desktop" in a danish locale, not "Skrivebord" as I
would assume. That's a bug we *could* address; see item 3. below.
- It's could be considered a bug that gnome-usershare don't make sure
that a ~/Public directory is created via e.g. /etc/skel (same thing
as Ray fixed for gnome-screensaver). At least I consider this a bug.
So, call to action
1. Someone create a gnome-filesystem package that populate /etc/skel.
Include some docs with instructions on what this is, why etc. etc.
Make sure it's evident how it should be used; e.g. what are the
naming conventions for where I should save my files if I'm a
Bittorrent client (perhaps in ~/Downloads/MyAppName) etc. etc.
Make sure this package is mentioned in the Fedora packaging guide
lines. Make it clear that requests for new top-level directories
in $HOME can be applied for via the normal bugzilla process.
(we could even call it desktop-filesystem if the KDE people agree
this is a good idea. But I'm unsure how KDE works (Rex?) and we
can always rename the package later.)
2. File bugs against relevant packages to
- Require the gnome-filesystem package instead of dropping it's own
directories into /etc/skel
- Use the appropriate directory (e.g. Pictures instead of Photos or
vice versa) in the app
- Make sure the app defaults to the correct directory for usage;
e.g. Firefox should do all downloads to ~/Downloads if that's
what the gnome-filesystem package prescribes (or would that
violate "branding"? ); make sure f-spot uses ~/Pictures etc.
3. Talk alexl into putting a feature into Nautilus / gnome-vfs so it
can read a .localization file (much like it reads a .hidden file,
see ) such that the gnome-filesystem package can drop a file
/etc/skel/.localization that e.g. looks like this (or whatever
format, preferable interoperable with other desktops etc. etc.
4. If it's possible to put emblems on the files in gnome-filesystem
we could do that too. Alex?
The work for doing this, perhaps except 3. (but I doubt it's much work
either), is a no-brainer (unless you insist on name-on-disk-should-
be-localized-crack but that should be rebutted above) that will make our
desktop look more polished.
We should just do this. Or we could just do what we normally do - sit
here and wait for upstream to make a decision. I doubt that will happen
for the next 2-3 years given the latest exchange of flames on d-d-l. So,
in some sense, I'm taking the flamewar here :-)
 : See
 : Actually f-spot requires ~/Photos, even in a danish locale, and
gives you an ugly modal dialog error message if it doesn't exist. But
either gnome-screensaver and/or f-spot is patchable :-)
 : See
 : If it violates Firefox branding rules to change the default
download directory... then it's probably a sign that we should probably
switch the default browser in the GNOME desktop away from Firefox. Of
course this is my own opinion....
NVIDIA video driver seems doesn't support "suspend" under fedora 5. The "hibernate" also doesn't work. The video driver fails restarting. And when I choose openGL/GLX information from the video server setting menu, the server restart, the session terminate. But normally it works fine.
I have been running 2.6.20-rc5 successfully with FC6.
Yesterday I have git pulled the latest 2.6.20.
I have used make oldconfig and chose all default answers.
I have built and run the new kernel successfully.
The problems is that now the Desktop don't show up.
I see the fedora login screen,but after I login I can only see the mouse
icon and two white stripes (one in the upper screen boundary and the second
in the lower). besides that the screen is totally black. I can move the mouse.
When I press Alt-F2 I can see the "run command" menu, but i cannot
type anything into it. pressing the 'x' button does close it. oh, and i can
see the popup window of the "security updates waiting", but it is not in the
regular place (upper right corner) - it is in the upper left corner.
Can anyone help please ?
There are no significant error messages in /var/log/message or
What can I do please ?