desktop August 2015

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Dropping i686 media for F24
by Paul W. Frields 28 Jan '16

28 Jan '16

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2015-August/001661… Stephen Gallagher has proposed a Change for Server to drop i686 media for F24. Given our previous list discussion, this is something for which we should probably follow suit. Thoughts? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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file triggers in rawhide
by Matthias Clasen 05 Dec '15

05 Dec '15

Hey, I've added file triggers for a number of desktop things: - gsettings schemas - gio modules - desktop files - mime types - gdk-pixbuf loaders - gtk im modules If you are updating a desktop package in rawhide that uses any of glib-compile-schemas, gio-querymodules, update-desktop-database, update -mime-database, gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders or gtk-query-immodules-3.0 in its %post, %postun or %posttrans, you can simply drop those calls - the file triggers will take care of things. For the time being, it might be a good idea to add a dependency on a new-enough build of the package(s) whose file triggers you are using. Here is a representative commit: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/gedit.git/commit/?id=1cd2537b862233c c4b4b1d59a56d26224e8b5b8a Matthias

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Is the text on for the workstation product on getfedora.org OK?
by Ankur Sinha 09 Sep '15

09 Sep '15

Hiya! We were recently discussing what marketing collateral we should have for the different products[1]. To paraphrase the rather long thread, the design and marketing teams have suggested that we have a timeless flyer for each product. ("Timeless" implying that the flyer will not be release specific and will not be updated per release). As part of this, we'd like the product WGs to please go over the text on getfedora.org and see if the text is OK or if they'd like to update it before F23. The idea here is to keep the text on the websites and the flyers in sync for a better, more uniform marketing system. Could this rather tiny task please be put on the WG's agendas? I'll file trac tickets if required :) [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2015-July/0177 45.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha/Marketing_Collateral _Ideas#Plan.3F -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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Let's reconsider some more applications installed by default
by Michael Catanzaro 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

>From the latest revision of our PRD [1]: "Fedora Workstation follows the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. These guidelines are mandatory for applications installed by default." Currently we have applications that clearly do not follow these guidelines. Unless we plan to revisit this section of the PRD, we should remove them, or set a deadline for them to be improved. * Devassistant. Needs an app menu, plus a serious sit-down with the GNOME designers. We want to make it easy to develop apps for Fedora, but not at the cost of leaving a bad quality impression. * Evolution: Needs a major redesign that is not going to happen. Geary is not yet a suitable replacement. Options: (1) Not install any email client, because most users will use webmail; we can feature Evolution in GNOME Software. (2) If we want to keep Evolution installed by default, it's time to require the maintainers to add an app menu. * Firefox. I see two options here: (1) replace it with Epiphany (FWIW, I think Epiphany has matured enough recently for this to be reasonable, but I am biased ;) (2) enable the GNOME extensions, mandate that they be updated in tandem with updates to Firefox in Fedora, and patch in an application menu. The extensions are good, and Mozilla is a reasonable upstream we can work with to get permission for this. The status quo should not be an option. * setroubleshoot. This app is completely hopeless. SELinux issues are sufficiently rare nowadays that we simply do not need this anymore, although it would be ideal for ABRT to detect the issues and handle bug reports. * Shotwell. Eventually we can replace it with GNOME Photos, but in the meantime, users can just install a photo management app if they want one. Also, I suspect Shotwell sends your password to Facebook without verifying its TLS certificate.... * Transmission. Its only significant legal use is to download our competitor's products (Linux ISOs), hardly something we need to encourage. It's featured in GNOME Software already. Thoughts? Michael [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-June/012419.html

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I am a loser -- WG meeting 2015-Sep-02
by Paul W. Frields 02 Sep '15

02 Sep '15

I hate to do this again. Really. But I'm going to be unavailable for our next Workstation WG meeting on Wednesday 2015-Sep-02 because I need to take my son to an open house at his new school, while my wife is at class herself. Is there someone who can take the helm that day? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Enable cups-browsed.service by default
by Paul W. Frields 31 Aug '15

31 Aug '15

The cups-browsed.service unit allows remote, shared printers to be available by default for Workstation users. Are there reasons we wouldn't want this service enabled by default in Workstation? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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Intel GPU error, PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun
by Alex G.S. 29 Aug '15

29 Aug '15

List, Every time I browse my 'journactl -b' logs I always see the following error: [drm:intel_set_pch_fifo_underrun_reporting [i915]] *ERROR* uncleared pch fifo underrun on pch transcoder A [drm:intel_pch_fifo_underrun_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun It also happens around times when I'm doing something graphically intensive and often precedes lockups. But these lockups are rare and do not happen often. The error message itself appears on nearly all of the Intel HD graphics chips I've used which are both the Intel HD 4000 and Intel HD 4600. I'm just curious as to any workarounds that could solve this in the short-term. Of all the bug reports I've read they always end with no resolution or "version 4.0 of the Kernel will solve this", but I'm on Kernel 4.1+ and it's still not solved yet. Thank you for any information you can provide... Regards, Alex G.S.

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dual boot release criteria, secure boot exempted
by Chris Murphy 28 Aug '15

28 Aug '15

The final release criterion for Fedora 23 Windows dual boot has an exemption that reads: The bootloader entry part of this criterion does not apply when Secure Boot is enabled (because it has not yet been made to work, and fixing it is not trivial). cases. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_23_Final_Release_Criteria#Windows_dua… I don't know the provenance of this exemption, but this bug explains the problem and work around. The gist is that openSUSE has a patch to avoid using LoadImage so that GRUB can chainload the Windows bootloader with Secure Boot enabled, and it's been working for years. The ideal scenario is to fix the problem with LoadImage, but I think in the meantime it's better to have the work around rather than users being told to disable Secure Boot. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1170245 So I'm wondering if the WG can take this up at their next meeting and decide when this exemption should be removed. -- Chris Murphy

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GNOME Shell extensions
by Michael Schwendt 21 Aug '15

21 Aug '15

How do users find Fedora's gnome-shell-extension-* packages? They don't appear in GNOME Software, because of missing appdata files. Is gnome-tweak-tool and its link to the the extensions web site the only way to find more extensions? Or the only "supported" way other than using command-line tools to search for packages?

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Need replacement meeting chair!
by Paul W. Frields 18 Aug '15

18 Aug '15

I have an unavoidable conflict this Wednesday and can't chair the Workstation WG meeting at 10am EDT in #fedora-meeting. Can someone volunteer to take that role this week? A reminder: We didn't reach quorum last time, so I hope and expect the members will do better this time. I'm not expecting Ryan who'll be on an airplane. Agenda items: * Possibly critical GLib issue? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1225957 * rpm-ostree based Workstation -- Are we going to line this up for a F24 Change? What are the next steps for the WG? -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com

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