upwards and onwards
by Matthias Clasen
F12 is almost done !
I think we have produced one of our best releases yet. Thanks to
everybody who has helped making it a great desktop. As always, there are
many exciting new things: Abrt, Bluetooth networking and sound, Dracut,
Empathy, IPv6, Thusnelda, etc. But we have also put a lot of effort into
making this work well and look sharp. And it shows !
There are certainly still bugs to be found and fixed, and we will spend
some time after the release mostly focused on handling incoming bugs,
probably until around the time that GNOME 2.28.2 is released (right
before Christmas).
Even so, there are some changes to the Desktop spin that I want to make
early in the F13 cycle, and that I want to outline here:
- Drop the CD size limitation and target a larger usb stick. We have
discussed this in the past. The main motivation for this is that we have
to fight every release cycle to make things fit on a CD, and we don't
have room to include our default office suite or example content.
- Include OpenOffice instead of abiword. OpenOffice is the premier open
source office suite, and abiword is on the current live CD purely for
size reasons.
- Use shotwell as the default photo management app instead of gthumb.
This may be a bit of a surprise for some. Shotwell is a relatively new
application, that is in Fedora only since F12. I have mentioned it on
this list before. The 0.3.0 release that has just come out is very close
to the feature set that we'd ideally expect to have in a default photo
management app. It also starts very fast.
- Remove remaining Bluecurve icons from fedora-gnome-theme. This will
probably leave some holes in the menus, and we'll need help from artists
to fill those.
- Include example content. We've wanted to do this for a long time, but
CD size limitations have always prohibited it. Now we can do it, but of
course, we still need to collect good material. If you have proposals
for suitably licensed documents, movies, music, etc that are
interesting, cool or just funny, let us know ! It might also be a good
idea to include some promotional material that could be of use for
Fedora ambassadors. If you have proposals in this direction, let us know
as well !
Beyond these organizational changes to the live image, I think a focus
of our feature work for F13 will be around software installation and
updates. Some of our thoughts for how installation and updates should
ideally behave can be found on the wiki:
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/Whiteboards/UpdateExperience
http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Desktop/InstallExperience
For application installation, Martin Bacovsky has already started
working on an online application database that is tied to pkgdb:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-October/msg01083.html
Some of us will be at FUDCon in a few weeks, where we can hopefully
discuss these ideas in more depth.
Matthias
13 years, 6 months
getting gnome 2.29 into rawhide
by Matthias Clasen
Hey gnome package owners,
I normally take care of mass-pushing gnome devel snapshots into rawhide,
but this time around, I want to refrain from doing that for now, since I
am still on F-12 and focusing on bug-fixes there.
So, if everybody can take care of their own packages this time around,
that would be great. Alternatively, maybe someone wants to volunteer to
do a mass-build for 2.29.3 ?
Matthias
13 years, 9 months
example content
by Matthias Clasen
Hey,
one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go
from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us
enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some
example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time,
but the cd size restriction have prohibited that.
The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
- Be informative and/or pleasant
- Allow users to try the included apps
- Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps
- Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors
Examples that might fit some of these categories are:
- Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been
mentioned already)
- Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora
or open source
- the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might
fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to
fedora-desktop-list or just reply.
Thanks!
Matthias
13 years, 10 months
cruft removal
by Matthias Clasen
Here is a list of some cruft removal tasks that I think we should tackle
for F13:
- Get rid of old Bluecurve icons in fedora-icon-theme. This mainly
affects the OpenOffice icons and the redhat-email and redhat-web icons
which are used by htmlview. The easiest way forward here would be to
simply change the Fedora metatheme to use Mist (or another icon theme)
directly.
- Get rid of leftover cruft in redhat-menus. We still ship
a /usr/share/desktop-menu-patches directory full of desktop files of
which only two seem to still be used (by htmlview). Is anything besides
htmlview still using desktop-menu-patches ?
- Get rid of htmlview. The script as been documented as deprecated since
forever, and it really does not have any benefits over xdg-open or
gvfs-open. It seems to get pulled in by gok (!) in my F12 installation.
Matthias
13 years, 10 months
Fedora 13 Schedule
by John Poelstra
Hello Desktop People,
A few weeks ago there was discussion here about how the Fedora 12
schedule was sub-optimal. I offered to help make sure your concerns
were addressed in the Fedora 13 schedule, but nobody responded. I'm
checking in with you one last time. If there is no response by the end
of this week, I will assume that the proposed schedules meet the needs
of the desktop for the Fedora 13 release cycle.
The basic structure of Fedora 13 schedule has been set and will soon go
to FESCo for final approval. Once that happens I will build proposed
schedules for: Documentation, Translation, Design, Marketing, and Websites.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-13/f-13-releng-tasks.html
If you have constructive feedback for altering or enhancing the
schedule, now is the time to give it. If it would be helpful to create
a public Desktop specific schedule I'd be glad to help with that as well.
Thank you,
John
13 years, 10 months
RE: Making Fedora more user-friendly
by Hristo Petkov
Hi Matthias,
I am not sure exactly what kind of a desktop I am using (under f11 - I have software from the five continents) and I noticed when working on the computer two inconveniences.
1. When copying some files. on the USB drive I cannot take away the USB card (for the copied files are usually damaged without issuing a bug report). I had to shut down the computer for everything to be O.K.
2. When copying a disk by the DVD Gnome Backer (it is much faster than the one going with F11, burning directly on the DVD/CD) and after closing the program by the GUI, the program is not closed (issuing a bug report) but everything with the disk processing is usually O.K. (I apologise if this issue has to be addressed to somebody else).
Could you advise me something, pls.
Regards,
Christo Petkov
13 years, 10 months
Re: example content
by Bill Nottingham
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) (bochecha(a)fedoraproject.org) said:
> > The example content is meant to serve several purposes:
> <snip>
> > - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors
> <snip>
> > - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12
>
> To be truely useful for ambassadords, we'd need a localized version :)
>
> Which means we'll have to regenerate the ISO anyway with our own kickstart.
The Live image already has support for multiple locales, and should
support passing them on the commandline. Anyone up for making a graphical
language menu in syslinux?
Bill
13 years, 10 months
We can make fedora easier
by Tareq Al Jurf
Hi all
I think that we should change somethings in fedora that would make it
easier.
Things that whenever a new person starts fedora for the first time would
change them.
For example whenever i start fedora for the first time i change the behavior
of the folders and make them open in browser
can we make that default? Because i think most people do that.
Regards
--
Tareq Al Jurf
Fedora Ambassador
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
taljurf(a)fedoraproject.org
13 years, 10 months
Re: How to set policy for user on specific folder from drive
by Luya Tshimbalanga
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> That's not under policykit's
remit, really. policykit can deal with
> policies regarding mounting drives, but not what you get to see on
what
> drive. That would appear to be exactly what good old file/folder
> permissions and/or ACLs are for? Why can't you do that?
Understood about file/folder permission but the mounting drive is a concern.
For a better clarification , say there are multiple users (3) in this
scenario: user1, user2, and user3.
user1 has bar1, user2 has bar2 and user3
has none. I set rules for policykit to mount for all but user3 under
/media/foo. I created a symlink for all but user3
from /media/foo/barX on desktop (Gnome environment for example).
/media/foo icon is displayed on desktop; is it possible to hide it?
Another question
User1 logs in and switched to another session for user2. Then user2
switch to another session for user3 who
cannot access to /media/foo as expected.
Will /media/foo be mounted for both user1 and user2 and bar1 folder not
accessible for user1?
I just want to get familiar with this new policy having used to
system->preferences->Authorization.
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Luya Tshimbalanga
Graphic & Web Designer
E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org
W: http://www.thefinalzone.net
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13 years, 10 months
How to set policy for user on specific folder from drive.
by Luya Tshimbalanga
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After reading that intensive topic [1], I read documentation about
pklocalauthority. In my scenario, I would like allow user to only read
specific folder from other partition from other hard-drive.
Consider this example taken from pklocalauthority documentation
[User Permissions]
Identity=unix-user:staff
Action=com.example.awesomeproduct.*
ResultAny=no
ResultInactive=no
ResultActive=yes
Action is a bit vague because I could not find page that list how to
mount that drive and assign access to that particular folder.
In this example: /media/foo/bar where "foo" is the drive and "bar" is
the folder.
Thank you in advance.
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Luya Tshimbalanga
Graphic& Web Designer
E: luya(a)fedoraproject.org
W: http://www.thefinalzone.net
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13 years, 10 months