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#fedora-meeting-2: Workstation WG (2023-12-05)
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Meeting started by brainycmurf at 03:42:07 UTC. The full logs are
available at
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-12-06/workstation...
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Meeting summary
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* Present members: Michael, Owen, Kalev, Allan, Chris (brainycmurf,
03:42:07)
* Guests: (brainycmurf, 03:42:07)
* Regrets: Tomas, Matthias, Jens (brainycmurf, 03:42:07)
* Missing: (brainycmurf, 03:42:09)
* Secretary:Owen (brainycmurf, 03:42:11)
* Switch from
meet.opensuse.org to a different conferencing platform
(brainycmurf, 03:42:13)
* LINK:
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/403 (brainycmurf,
03:42:15)
* new setup (
meet-test.opensuse.org) working well for some people,
some people seeing video bugs; extensive discussion of alternatives.
Will keep
meet-test.opensuse.org for now. (brainycmurf, 03:42:17)
* Enable full preemption (brainycmurf, 03:42:20)
* LINK:
https://pagure.io/fedora-workstation/issue/228 (brainycmurf,
03:42:22)
* Owen with general agreement suggested that doing this by kernel
command line is not great - very hard to upgrades, hard to do just
for some variants. Chris sent a mail to llkml some time ago about
moving switch from debugfs to sysfs, but didn't get a response.
(brainycmurf, 03:42:24)
* Neal would like to see characterization of this on server workloads
so that we could enable across variants (brainycmurf, 03:42:28)
* Discussion of whether we *know* this is desktop only, or might make
sense for server workloads as well - especially now that serv7ers
are often running more complex workloads with cgroups, etc.
(brainycmurf, 03:42:31)
* Discussion of how to test - what are the (desktop) workloads that we
expect this to make a difference - OBS streaming? Audio? (Fedora Jam
apparently sets up preempt=full). Is sysprof useful for testing
whether preempt=full improves responsiveness/smoothess of GNOME
shell under high load (brainycmurf, 03:42:36)
* ACTION: Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team
to see if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs -
or how to move forward for there. (brainycmurf, 03:42:40)
* Announcements and status updates (brainycmurf, 03:42:43)
* LINK:
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/learning-from-the-f40-tuned-replac...
(brainycmurf, 03:42:45)
* discussion of role of working group vs. fesco in change proposal
process (brainycmurf, 03:42:48)
* Allan change proposals were conceived as "notification" of things
coming from upstream (brainycmurf, 03:42:50)
* Neal - there's a split between notications of upcoming upstream
changes, and change proposals for work that is being done downstream
- specific to fedora, and the second set of things is getting
larger; policy documents lag behind. (brainycmurf, 03:42:52)
* Nobody wanted to copy the releng part where there has to be a ticket
filed (brainycmurf, 03:42:56)
* Allan felt there isn't enough time between posting and voting - that
voting can get in the way of the discussion. (brainycmurf,
03:42:58)
* LINK:
https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2023-11-30/workstation...
(brainycmurf, 03:43:03)
Meeting ended at 03:43:08 UTC.
Action Items
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* Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see if
they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how to
move forward for there.
Action Items, by person
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* **UNASSIGNED**
* Chris and Neal to check in with members of Meta kernel team to see
if they have insight about moving the switch out of debugfs - or how
to move forward for there.
People Present (lines said)
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* brainycmurf (28)
* zodbot (7)
* Michael (0)
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