I'm Tshepo Tamajobe, a 23 year old geek from Botswana, Africa. I have
joined the Fedora Ambassadors Project a while back, sent emails to
mentors in my region and I still haven't got replied yet. What should
I do? I want to get started as soon as possible.
Today in the CommOps meeting, we briefly discussed the idea of a "Fedora
University" kind of curriculum to help make it easier to on-board new
To help mark the progress of this, a ticket has been created in our Trac
to begin the brainstorming. Later tomorrow, I'm hoping to create a wiki
page outline for this as well.
Justin W. Flory
On 01/05/2016 05:14 PM, Zach Villers wrote:
> Would be willing to participate in a meeting to discuss.
Hi Zach - seeing as there is a decent amount of buzz about this, I think
it will probably be brought up at the next Community Operations meeting.
We meet on Tuesdays at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-2 in Freenode -
you're encouraged to attend if you are available!
On 01/05/2016 06:21 PM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> Il giorno mar, 05/01/2016 alle 16.57 -0500, Justin W. Flory ha scritto:
> Looking at other distros it seems (not sure at all, anyway) they don't
> have any "service" like this (provided directly from the Project) and
> it could be another point in which Fedora is ahead.
This was my thoughts as well. I've never heard of anything like it
either, and it seems like an effective type of tactic to look into
pursuing (albeit the fact it would require a lot of work - as Neville
aptly pointed out). More on that in a bit.
On 01/05/2016 06:59 PM, Neville A. Cross wrote:
> We did a small face to face experience with two universities in
> Nicaragua that we called fedora little school. There was two sides to
> this eight hours course. First there was Fedora specific stuff, like
> what is Linux and Fedora, but also how to work and communicate with
> Fedora: FAS, mailing list, irc, wiki, ask. Then the other side was the
> tools of the trade. A bit of terminal, ssh, git, ftp. During this crash
> course we installed fedora and setup wordpress in a remote server. We
> find out that most universities tech to program but they do not teach
> how to use version control and collaborative tools. In the end was a
> lot of energy so we did not get people on board to get it done the
> third time. We got people interested in fedora and linux, but nobody
> really get to join the community. But at least we came up with a buch
> of topic that we agreed that somebody needs to know to be able to
> collaborate with Fedora.
> There has been at least one attempt to build a Fedora school in LATAM
> community, it got to the point to have the server running and be ready
> to people start creating their curses. But creating a good small
> tutorial for one topic, like creating a FAS account, is a lot of work.
> Making some short videos, adding a doc, presenting a exercise, it is
> all time consuming. I taught one online course in an university using
> moodle and it was not easier that teaching face to face. Probably I
> would have benefited the most if I had taught the course again, because
> i would just fine tune and re-use everything. But it is a gigantic
> commitment to make this reach critical mass, so people will look at it.
> Besides this is not just update content, somebody has to be ready to
> answer questions coming from the small courses.
> Probably I sound all too negative. What I really want to say, this is a
> big challenge and has to be considered as such. It is needed to gather
> all the help possible. I will love to help with one or two topics.
It's great to know you have some experience doing something like this in
the past, Neville. And I completely agree with the points you make about
the difficulties that creating a "virtual course" for Fedora would
include. I think creating the initial content for a curriculum would be
a significant challenge and come as a curveball, but if we can overcome
the initial challenge, it would (ideally) be easy to maintain, update,
and keep current.
On the same note, this would be something that would have to have a
long-term focus and I think it's important to place this on the CommOps
map at the next meeting.
I'd especially like to get either decause or threebean's input regarding
Fedora Hubs and how maybe these are interrelated types of tasks. I'm not
as versed on the mission, goals, and overall design of how Hubs will
work, but from what I do understand, this might be the kind of thing we
could have embedded into that, in terms of what platform we deliver
these "courses" or "lessons" through.
Do you have any links to any of these past attempts, Neville?
Justin W. Flory
= Quick Summary =
1) Online university meets contributing to Fedora (kind of)
2) Join process: Move from wiki to more modern + centralized "course"
3) Improve process to jumpstart new contributors
4) Four main questions to answer
5) Opinions / thoughts very welcome *
* Longer email, but worth the read!
This idea originates from a discussion Gabri (mailga) and I had in
Gabri pointed out the availability of a variety of different "online
classroom" type of applications or websites. They're pretty commons
nowadays, with things like Udemy or Coursera being used to let people
take full-fledged courses in any subject they want (sometimes at a cost,
The article that started this discussion can be found here:
It's easy for someone to create a "course" in anything and set up a
series of lessons or classes for their course. They can be in different
formats depending on what suits the topic best.
The connection of this to Fedora that Gabri pointed out is that it may
be something to look into to have a "Becoming a Fedora Contributor"
course in an environment like one of these. The purpose of doing this
would be to create a "curriculum" of the tools, resources, and
information needed to be jumpstarted as a Fedora contributor.
There could be a general course with a few different lessons of
different things in Fedora, and then perhaps subgroup-specific lessons
about how to get started with a specific subgroup, e.g. Design, Kernel,
Marketing, Packaging, CommOps, etc…
This would intend to replace the often decentralized wiki articles that
accomplish the same thing. As it is becoming more well-known, the wiki
is sometimes a difficult place to store useful information because it
can be so difficult to navigate. Most subgroups have some sort of
"Joining" series on the wiki, but finding all the pages can sometimes be
The needs for something like this would be as follows:
1) Create a series of "lessons" for newcomers to follow in order to be
"ready" to contribute to what interests them
2) Courses / lessons easy to update and keep current with the fast-paced
speed of Fedora
Gabri also linked this article which may of use of finding a platform we
like, should this be something we are interested in:
However, to the point - now what? There's a few questions I think we
need to answer?
1) Is this something we think would be useful to pursue?
2) If so, what is the scope we want to pursue? Start small and see if
it works well, then try a wider adoption?
3) Is this something we would have as a long-term goal for 2016 for
every subgroup to try to adopt (with the assistance of CommOps)?
4) Are there any downsides that stand out by trying to pursue an
online "contributor classroom" sort of style versus using the wiki?
I think these are the core questions we need to answer to move forward.
This may be an interesting discussion topic for a meeting if there is
support for the idea.
And Gabri, feel free to chime in and add anything in case I missed
Interested to hear your thoughts!
Justin W. Flory
Since I was volunteering at FUDCon APAC 2015 held at Pune and got a
chance to interact with a lot of folks from Fedora community, just
thought of sharing my recent blog about GHC with everyone. This might
not have anything to do with fedora but surely might bring some light to
the thought of increasing women participation/contribution in the
Moreover to make it relevant to the fedora lists, I shared my experience
at FUDCon APAC 2015 here and thus sharing that one as well.
These were the mailing lists where I have done very few interactions in
the past, so just thought of addressing it to them.
Any feedback/comments appreciated.