On Fri, 2007-11-09 at 14:06 -0500, Jesse Keating wrote:

Now that Fedora 8 is out, I'd like to make a suggestion with regard to PPC. It's no secret that we've been talking about dropping PPC. First it was all together, then it was so that it could be come a secondary arch. So far, we've failed to execute.

Digressing from the technical side, I'd like to properly understand your motivation. _Why_ do you want to do this?

I like Fedora. I like to see it expand and get used in places it couldn't have been used before. I've always wanted to see it ported to new architectures and made versatile enough to do new things -- to be used as a basis for more than the bog-standard Linux desktop/small server on a PeeCee.

I'd love to see more functionality -- more _possibilities_ -- merged under the 'Fedora' umbrella.

As far as I can tell, you have the opposite desire. You seem to want to reduce what we have -- even when something's _working_, you want to back away from it -- disown it and all but abandon it. And even 'advertise' that we're doing so -- you want to shout it from the rooftops that we're backing into our corner.

Why?

We strive to ensure that PowerPC "Just Works™", when it comes to QA and release time. I think we do a reasonably good job, don't we? Stuff slips through occasionally, of course -- we should do more testing with SELinux enabled, for example. But in general, I don't think we do badly.

So why do you constantly fight to throw out our work? What benefit do you think this attitude brings to Fedora? I assume you don't _just_ do it because you enjoy the massive slap in the face that we feel every time you do it? :)

Have I missed a large amount of work which you personally need to do for each release? Or missed a large store of 'private' bugs in bugzilla which have never come to my attention? Or just misinterpreted the state of Fedora on PowerPC despite the fact that I use it on all my primary machines?

So what _is_ the motivation?

If Fedora/PowerPC is not good enough to be called 'Fedora', I will heartily agree that we should stop calling it that. That isn't the case though.

If Fedora/PowerPC causes a significant amount of work for you, we can strive to take that load off you -- although I understood that's part of what the "secondary architecture infrastructure" was _for_, and we'd agreed that reclassifying Fedora/PowerPC would wait until that was in place.

It can't be _just_ about the number of users -- I bet that there are fewer users of Kerberos on Fedora than there are PowerPC users, but we don't get people ranting after every release that they want to drop Kerberos support. Our usage numbers are very tenuous anyway, and we certainly can't factor in the bizarre things like the fact that Linus chose Fedora _because_ it runs on PowerPC.