FDP Team Members (especially those at Boston FUDCon):
Some quick feedback on the Desktop User Guide:
1. I really like the added anchors in the DUG and the linking from the Sections list to the anchors.
2. Would it be a further improvement to combine the TOC with this section guide and refer to it all as the Table of Contents?
3. On this page regarding "Communications", http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to Gaim's official FAQ.
4. Finally, is this just moving to a new location for the wiki, or is it being prepared for conversion to DocBook XML?
5. Remember that the /Docs/Drafts/ location is referenced by the existing default home page.
I'm looking forward to joining you on IRC later today.
Enjoy FUDCon,
John Babich
On 2/4/07, John Babich jmbabich@gmail.com wrote:
- On this page regarding "Communications", http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to Gaim's official FAQ.
I stand corrected. It's still in there.
However, we may want to add the fact that a Jabber account can be created inside of Gaim. The others still require outside registration.
Thanks,
John Babich
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FDP Team Members (especially those at Boston FUDCon):
Hi John
Some quick feedback on the Desktop User Guide:
- I really like the added anchors in the DUG and the linking from the Sections list to the anchors.
Pauls idea, I think it's a great way of improving the usability of the guide.
- Would it be a further improvement to combine the TOC with this section guide and refer to it all as the Table of Contents?
I'd rather say leave it as it is, there are a lot of guides which work with this system, it provides an overview for those who just want to see the chapters. We could maybe and the page links to the section guide aswell, but I'd keep the TOC
On this page regarding "Communications", http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/DesktopUserGuide/Communications, I originally explained (in an admonition) that all IM accounts, with the exception of Jabber, had to be created beforehand according to each protocol provider. See http://gaim.sourceforge.net/faq.php#q15. If this has changed, let me know otherwise, but this is according to Gaim's official FAQ.
Finally, is this just moving to a new location for the wiki, or is it
being prepared for conversion to DocBook XML?
I don't know if this will happen, but if we want to do it, maybe we can try this afternoon? As such we could master DocBook :)
- Remember that the /Docs/Drafts/ location is referenced by the existing default home page.
Yes, as the guide still carries it's notification. I suppose an announcement will be sent out today/tomorrow and before that we should remove them both.
I'm looking forward to joining you on IRC later today.
Likewise
Enjoy FUDCon,
John Babich
Bart
John Babich wrote:
This is a nice document, IMHO, though with a rather odd selection of topics. Maybe more will be added later?
As a matter of interest, what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? And can one run it later to add thumbnails, if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs?
In general, is it assumed that one is running either Gnome or KDE in this document, and if so which?
On 2/4/07, Timothy Murphy tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie wrote:
This is a nice document, IMHO, though with a rather odd selection of topics. Maybe more will be added later?
On behalf of all the contrbutors, thanks. The selection of topics was determined by the following:
Assumptions: The reader has a standard Desktop class installation of Fedora [Core 6], including a user account with the default settings. The reader does not have access to the root password.
This document was written for Fedora Core 6. A rewrite is under way for Fedora Linux 7, which may cause this doc to be structured differently, to take into account the merger of Core and Extras, as well as allowing for greater choice in the desktop manager used.
As a matter of interest, what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? And can one run it later to add thumbnails, if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs?
Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in extras, for jpeg viewing.
In general, is it assumed that one is running either Gnome or KDE in this document, and if so which?
GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is definitely changing.
I hope that helps.
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GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is definitely changing.
As to reflect this change, could we (for F7) write an all-GNOME and all-KDE version of this guide? This would mean a large deal of overhaul and doing double work, I'm sure, but it would be best for the user experience.
I hope that helps.
John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Docs Project
As a sidenote: shouldn't we release the DUG officially now? I'm quite sure it's ready!
Bart
John Babich wrote:
As a matter of interest, what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? And can one run it later to add thumbnails, if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs?
Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in extras, for jpeg viewing.
I would suggest that the document should state clearly what application is in use. Connecting a camera in the way described does not bring up gthumb or f-spot on my Fedora-6 + KDE machine.
In general, is it assumed that one is running either Gnome or KDE in this document, and if so which?
GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is definitely changing.
Again, I suggest that it should say that it is assumed the user is running Gnome, if that is indeed the assumption.
On Tue, 2007-02-06 at 15:20 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
John Babich wrote:
As a matter of interest, what application is being used in the chapter on Photos? And can one run it later to add thumbnails, if the pictures are downloaded from the camera as jpegs?
Gthumb is normally available for thumbnailing. To be honest, this section was written by someone else, as I didn't have a digital camera available to me at the time. I would guess that it's either gphoto2 (more a CLI than a GUI app) or, more likely, f-spot. I personally like GQview, which is available in extras, for jpeg viewing.
I would suggest that the document should state clearly what application is in use. Connecting a camera in the way described does not bring up gthumb or f-spot on my Fedora-6 + KDE machine.
The target audience doesn't care about the application name, just the functionality; see below for a more lengthy explanation.
In general, is it assumed that one is running either Gnome or KDE in this document, and if so which?
GNOME is the default desktop manager in Fedora Core 6. The desktop manager can be selected at installation time to be GNOME or KDE or even xfce. Currently there's a very active group working to provide full KDE functionality for KDE. Historically, GNOME has been better supported, but this is definitely changing.
Again, I suggest that it should say that it is assumed the user is running Gnome, if that is indeed the assumption.
The DUG is designed for use by someone who may not be familiar with general computer use. They are assumed to NOT be familiar with UNIX or Linux at all. That means they don't (and possibly even can't) distinguish between GNOME and KDE, so these terms are meaningless. The front page of the DUG¹ does state the assumptions, including that the user is starting from a fresh "all-default" installation of Fedora Core 6. For those of us (like you and me) that do know the difference, obviously that means GNOME.
If you'd like to test the DUG for whether the instructions work, you're probably going to need to do a default installation on a machine (or virtual guest) to test it. Remember to take defaults in the installer wherever possible. Let us know if the steps shown in the guide still don't work for you.
On Sun, 2007-02-04 at 15:43 +0000, Timothy Murphy wrote:
This is a nice document, IMHO, though with a rather odd selection of topics. Maybe more will be added later?
Sure. We went with what we had ready in time for FC6.
Do you have any specific topics you think should be covered?
Time is running for F7. :)
- Karsten