Hey folks, just took a look at the Beta Announcement[1] and it looks good to me. Are we ready to let this one fly or is anyone still pondering a few additional changes?
Eric
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Eric Christensen wrote:
Hey folks, just took a look at the Beta Announcement[1] and it looks good to me. Are we ready to let this one fly or is anyone still pondering a few additional changes?
Eric
everything at the link:
http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease
still seems to refer to the alpha release.
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Eric Christensen wrote:
Hey folks, just took a look at the Beta Announcement[1] and it looks good to me. Are we ready to let this one fly or is anyone still pondering a few additional changes?
Eric
never mind -- i just realized this was apparently a pre-release announcement. need more coffee.
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On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 07:43:03AM -0400, Eric Christensen wrote:
Hey folks, just took a look at the Beta Announcement[1] and it looks good to me. Are we ready to let this one fly or is anyone still pondering a few additional changes?
Eric
Much of the feature callout in this announcement is lacking information that would help users understand the importance of what's found in F11 Beta. I see a lot of cut and paste from the abbreviated Feature List without explanations. I've provided a few fixes -- can someone revisit this page and, without making the list too long, add just a smidge more info? See my recent changes for examples.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com To: fedora-docs-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Beta Announcement Ready?
can someone revisit this page and, without making the list too long, add just a smidge more info?
I have to admit, I''ve been somehwat going the other way. An awful lot of the features this release are technically interesting, but pretty much non-events for most users. On the flip side, some of the development changes (and there are many) are really important to their particular audience. This is perhaps more critical in the beta release notes, which have been getting similar gardening.
I've been struggling, though, with the beta release notes. There are many, many changes for developers, and many of those changes require specific action. But I've been a little reluctant to make the beta "one page" too gangly for a relatively small audience. On the other hand, some of the developers have been very helpful in providing, sometimes extensive, content. Again, I've been a little timid about whacking out their work and leaving it only in the somewhat lower profile GA release notes.
--McD
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:04 AM, John J. McDonough wb8rcr@arrl.net wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com To: fedora-docs-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Beta Announcement Ready?
can someone revisit this page and, without making the list too long, add just a smidge more info?
I have to admit, I''ve been somehwat going the other way. An awful lot of the features this release are technically interesting, but pretty much non-events for most users. On the flip side, some of the development changes (and there are many) are really important to their particular audience. This is perhaps more critical in the beta release notes, which have been getting similar gardening.
Typically our beta users, while on the whole not as technically savvy as our alpha users, are pretty technical. I'd argue that those "technically interesting" features are important to show off in beta, perhaps even more so than final release.
David Nalley wrote:
Typically our beta users, while on the whole not as technically savvy as our alpha users, are pretty technical. I'd argue that those "technically interesting" features are important to show off in beta, perhaps even more so than final release.
Exactly. It is also more press worthy if you explain it in simple terms. Concentrate on answering the question of how is this useful?
Rahul
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 09:01:16PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
David Nalley wrote:
Typically our beta users, while on the whole not as technically savvy as our alpha users, are pretty technical. I'd argue that those "technically interesting" features are important to show off in beta, perhaps even more so than final release.
Exactly. It is also more press worthy if you explain it in simple terms. Concentrate on answering the question of how is this useful?
We are working to reach a larger audience with the Beta and Previews. We have to be careful that we don't alienate them. This two-pronged approach is valuable -- explain deep technical matters in a simple enough way for the wider audience, then link to an appropriate beat page.
This is a way to make the beats more active and useful, as a place developers can show off package work sooner and more in their control; as more than just a dumping place for content that 'eventually' makes it in to the release notes. There is a natural opportunity from the beat to link back to feature pages, which fill this similar purpose of showing work sooner and more (pro)actively.
- Karsten
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:04:52AM -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com To: fedora-docs-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Beta Announcement Ready?
can someone revisit this page and, without making the list too long, add just a smidge more info?
I have to admit, I''ve been somehwat going the other way. An awful lot of the features this release are technically interesting, but pretty much non-events for most users. On the flip side, some of the development changes (and there are many) are really important to their particular audience. This is perhaps more critical in the beta release notes, which have been getting similar gardening.
I've been struggling, though, with the beta release notes. There are many, many changes for developers, and many of those changes require specific action. But I've been a little reluctant to make the beta "one page" too gangly for a relatively small audience. On the other hand, some of the developers have been very helpful in providing, sometimes extensive, content. Again, I've been a little timid about whacking out their work and leaving it only in the somewhat lower profile GA release notes.
You can give a short explanation and a link to the active in-progress beat page.
- Karsten
On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 11:04 -0400, John J. McDonough wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul W. Frields" stickster@gmail.com To: fedora-docs-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:54 AM Subject: Re: Beta Announcement Ready?
can someone revisit this page and, without making the list too long, add just a smidge more info?
I have to admit, I''ve been somehwat going the other way.
It seems that there is a lot of energy behind this but a lot of different thoughts about how to do it. How about this...
Let's put the announcement up on Gobby and meet (tonight or tomorrow or during our regular Wednesday meeting) and get everyone together and looking at the document at the same time and discuss the changes and ideas.
Eric