On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 19:16 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.02.2014 19:09, schrieb Adam Williamson:
> On Fri, 2014-02-21 at 19:06 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> do we have a systemd-209 somewhere
>
>
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=499417 - build
> failed on ARM. But if you haven't even built it locally and tried it
> yet...
that's not the point
* currently nobody knows details but many have qualified guesses
* systemd replaced much complexer things than network.service
* on 99 out of 100 servers you don't want more than network.service
* on 99 out of 100 servers you don't want the NM dependency-chain
* you have all the systemd code already in the system
* you can expect systemd controls systemd-networkd.service better than
the old fashinoed LSB network.service i expect it to work relieable
* we are talking about *future*
so you won't get people like me in a direction to accept NM at all
well, we had to suck systemd in F15 and survived
so *now* that we survived we want to have it finished
have systemd finished means no LSB/SysV-Init service on the system
the payback have NM instead network.service is not accepted
Let me correct you here, *you* do not accept it, and that is fine, you
can configure your system to use systemd-networkd, report on how it
works and in due time we can consider it to become a default for Fedora
Server.
but At *this* moment you do not even know if it will really work or not,
because it can't even be compiled for Fedora, so let's table for more
discussion in a 3 months or so, ok ?
guess what happens the next few years
I do not have crystal balls.
people running Fedora on static network interfaces and hate
NetworkManager as much someone can hate software will use it
anyways - the same people would even write there own ifup
systemd-units if "network.service" would get dropped without
a replacement which is not NM
This is the same argument people had against systemd.
People will hate it and won't know how to work w/o sysv.
Sorry I do not care for fear mongering, thank you.
Simo.
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Simo Sorce * Red Hat, Inc * New York