server July 2023

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Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria?
by Adam Williamson 23 Jul '23

23 Jul '23

Hi folks! I want to talk about the Active Directory requirements in the release criteria. Since Fedora Server was created, we've had this in the criteria: "It must be possible to join the system to a FreeIPA or Active Directory domain at install time and post-install, and the system must respect the identity, authentication and access control configuration provided by the domain." ...plus various further requirements at Beta and Final. For FreeIPA we have this testing entirely automated, it's no problem at all. For Active Directory we...don't. At every release point this does not get tested until very late. Often Stephen Gallagher has to test it manually at the very last minute, which is an unfair burden on him. When we *do* find problems, there is a mad scramble to fix them or at least find workarounds, because we find them way too late. We've looked into automating it and still kinda intend to do so, but it's not really simple. There's a legal side to it - it's not clear what the licensing requirements involved would be - and a technical side to it - we'd need a way to reliably and quite quickly deploy an AD domain controller using openQA automation, which is not a trivial job. When I estimate the time that's going to take and consider what *else* I (or anyone else) could do with that time, I'm not certain that "automating AD testing" is the best use of it. To me it doesn't feel like a really key feature of Fedora to the point that would justify the work involved, or justify continuing to throw Stephen and others under the last-minute-manual-testing bus. But I'm not sure! What do others think? Do you use the AD client support of Fedora Server? Do you think it's a key feature that we should keep as a release-blocking requirement, or no? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @adamw@fosstodon.org https://www.happyassassin.net

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Short info about our last IRC meeting
by Peter Boy 20 Jul '23

20 Jul '23

Again, for everyone's convenience, a brief summary of our last IRC meeting right here. For greater Details see: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2023/ === Highlight(s) === As an absolute highlight, we finally found the time to discuss our Ansible / Wildfly project in detail. We have made some decisions: * We'll use nginx as proxy solution, because it is able to handle the proxy protocol. * We will create a separate log. Volume for /opt/wildfly according the Fedora Server Edition storage concept We’ll continue next meeting with Ansible details and probably a proxy test installation. -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Agenda Items on 2023-05-17 17:00 ==UTC== meeting
by Peter Boy 19 Jul '23

19 Jul '23

The upcoming meeting will be held on =========================================================== Fedora Server IRC meeting Wednesday, Mai 17 17:00 ==UTC== irc.libera.chat #fedora-meeting =========================================================== Please, check your local time using date -d '2023-05-17 17:00UTC' ==== Agenda ==== #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting To be able to discuss all topics on the agenda and to prevent us from repeatedly putting off topics that have not been dealt with, we should set time limits for the individual items on the agenda. If we need more time, we should continue on the mailing list. 1. === Follow up actions === 5 mins at max 2. === Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly === 15 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/60 Latest post: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… We have a public test server (sisyphos.resdigita.eu) with a running Wildfly and should discuss jow we want to proceed. 3. === F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on SBC === 30 mins mas #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108 Goal: We should discuss how to proceed and make the planning more concrete.d 4. === Status of Server documentation ===. 15 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/94 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/100 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/105 And additionally we have to docs work in progress: File sharing with NFS – Installation #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/filesharing… I need help here. I can't get NFS working. Setting up a basic web server #link https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/services/httpd-basic… There is obviously a bug in the ssl package configuration file. I need help to confirm the bug and the work around. 5. === Open floor === For any additions or changes, please reply to this email. For an overview about current tasks look at: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/boards/Works%20in%20progress -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Call for agenda Items for today, 2023-07-19 17:00 ==UTC== meeting
by Peter Boy 19 Jul '23

19 Jul '23

The upcoming meeting will be held on =========================================================== Fedora Server IRC meeting Wednesday, Jul 19 17:00 ==UTC== irc.libera.chat #fedora-meeting =========================================================== Please, check your local time using date -d '2023-07-19 17:00UTC' ==== Agenda ==== #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting To be able to discuss all topics on the agenda and to prevent us from repeatedly putting off topics that have not been dealt with, we should set time limits for the individual items on the agenda. If we need more time, we should continue on the mailing list. 1. === Follow up actions === 2. === Fedora 39 change Proposal: Enable Firmware Update Notification === 10 mins #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/115 #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EnableFwupdRefreshByDefault We had an ad hoc discussion, probably we will share additional ideas. 3. === LLMNR should be disabled in resolved in f39 === 15 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/114 Change Proposal: #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… Diskussion: #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… 4. === Work Project: Using Ansible to install and configure Wildfly === 30 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/60 Goal: - Deciding about the next steps 5. === F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment === #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110 Topics to discuss: How to collect information - The feedback from the community so far #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… 6. === Open floor === For any additions or changes, please reply to this email. For an overview about current tasks look at: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/boards/Works%20in%20progress -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Server WG
by pboy＠fedoraproject.org 18 Jul '23

18 Jul '23

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Server WG on 2023-07-19 from 17:00:00 to 18:00:00 UTC At fedora-meeting(a)irc.libera.chat The meeting will be about: Standing meeting of the Fedora Server Edition Working Group. More information available at: [https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting](https://pagure.io/fedora-se… Source: https://calendar.fedoraproject.org//meeting/10517/

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Short info about our last IRC meeting
by Peter Boy 17 Jul '23

17 Jul '23

Again, a bit late but hopefully not too late and for everyone's convenience, a brief summary of our last IRC meeting right here. For greater Details see: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/server-working-group/wg-minutes-2023/ 1. As it looks at the moment the committee has accepted and is planning with a presentation: Fedora Server Edition – Quo Vadis? Unfortunately a workshop about Server in virtual environment, that I proposed, too, didn’t make it. 2. WG agrees about to use automated testing using Samba AD as the server end (instead of a native Windows server) and to keep the status of release criteria. Full compatibility with Windows Server remains the goal regardless of the testing procedure. And an inability to connect to a real Microsoft AD server remains a release blocking criterion, since that is (and remains) the most prominent domain controller in the world 3. Regarding Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC, we’ll complete the current device documentation draft with the devices nominated until now. 4. We want to replace the "DVD" in the naming of the installation media by "STD". -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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First draft or a mail service tutorial
by Peter Boy 15 Jul '23

15 Jul '23

As we had discussed last meeting I’ve published the first part of a draft of a mail service tutorial. https://docs.stg.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-server/tutorials/mailservic… @eseyman was about to implement (and document) a mail gateway, so we can coordinate. Best Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Proposal to disable LLMNR on Server
by Petr Menšík 11 Jul '23

11 Jul '23

LLMNR [1] is multicast name resolution protocol. I think it should be disabled on all Server deployments unless explicitly requested by the administrator. Unfortunately it breaks some kinds of DNS queries [2] because the way it is implemented in systemd-resolved. It makes dig -t NS org. return error telling that domain does not exist. I think LLMNR should be disabled in whole distribution, because even Microsoft is removing support for it [3]. I doubt it were wanted even in Server builds especially. Those usually rely on more controlled infrastructure, meaning standard unicast DNS. If you would know a common use case, why it should be still wanted, can you share it? I have created issue #114 for it on fedora-server [4]. Have you ever used single label name to connect to your server? I think mDNS has less problematic implementation in avahi, but that has to be enabled explicitly. I think that is desired especially on servers. It were introduced by systemd-resolved change [5], but there were no statement that it would have negative impact on DNS resolution. What would you think about it? 1. https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc4795 2. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2220973 3. https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/networking-blog/aligning-on-mdns-ram… 4. https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/114 5. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/systemd-resolved#Local_multicast_DNS -- Petr Menšík Software Engineer, RHEL Red Hat, https://www.redhat.com/ PGP: DFCF908DB7C87E8E529925BC4931CA5B6C9FC5CB

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Call for agenda Items on 2023-07-05 17:00 ==UTC== meeting
by Peter Boy 04 Jul '23

04 Jul '23

The upcoming meeting will be held on =========================================================== Fedora Server IRC meeting Wednesday, Jul 05 17:00 ==UTC== irc.libera.chat #fedora-meeting =========================================================== Please, check your local time using date -d '2023-07-05 17:00UTC' ==== Agenda ==== #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/report/Meeting To be able to discuss all topics on the agenda and to prevent us from repeatedly putting off topics that have not been dealt with, we should set time limits for the individual items on the agenda. If we need more time, we should continue on the mailing list. 1. === Follow up actions === 2. === Fedora Server on Flock 2023 #link https://flocktofedora.org/ 3. === Could we drop Active Directory requirements from Fedora release criteria? === 15 mins max No issue created yet #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/could-we-drop-active-directory-requi… 4. === F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC === 20 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/108 Goal: - Deciding about the next steps 5. === F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment === 15 mins max #link https://pagure.io/fedora-server/issue/110 Topics to discuss: How to collect information - The feedback from the community so far #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject.or… 6. === Open floor === For any additions or changes, please reply to this email. For an overview about current tasks look at: https://pagure.io/fedora-server/boards/Works%20in%20progress -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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Short info about our last IRC meeting
by Peter Boy 04 Jul '23

04 Jul '23

Again, for everyone's convenience, a brief summary of our IRC meeting right here. For greater details see meetbot == Summary: == https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2023-06-07/fedora-server.2… == Full log: == https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2023-06-07/fedora-server.2… == Essentials == ==== Flock 2023 ==== Date: Aug. 2 -4 in Cork Ireland We will discuss a contribution and who plans to attend the event in person. ==== F39 Work Project: Fedora Server on (ARM) SBC ==== We agreed upon publishing a reference list according to the plan in issue -108. W’ll collect what models are available in Server WG. ==== F39/40 Work Project: Fedora Server in a virtualized runtime environment ==== We agreed to perform the community survey as proposed in #110 . Peter -- Peter Boy https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pboy PBoy(a)fedoraproject.org Timezone: CET (UTC+1) / CEST /UTC+2) Fedora Server Edition Working Group member Fedora Docs team contributor and board member Java developer and enthusiast

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