On Mon, Apr 29, 2024, at 10:24 AM, Peter Boy wrote:
> Am 29.04.2024 um 14:48 schrieb Kamil Paral
<kparal(a)redhat.com>:
> But that's just because btrfs is the default Fedora layout.
Well, in fact, there is no Fedora Default filesystem. The term dates
back to the time when the btrfs apologists wanted to enforce the file
system for all editions distribution-wide. All server variants, i.e.
CoreOS and Server, rejected this.
"btrfs apologists wanted to enforce"
This is egregiously false.
First, there is the negative connotation of "btrfs apologists" versus
"btrfs proponent" - it is unnecessarily adversarial to use the former rather
than the latter.
Second, the btrfs proponents asked every SIG and working group their opinion on whether to
use btrfs, and if they would like to opt in, before the change proposal was submitted.
Also, "Fedora Server Edition" is not just any Fedora
version that
installs some server software. According to the goals set with Fedora
Next in 2024/2016 (I don't remember the exact year), it's not just
something DIY cobbled together, but a branding with well-defined
features, defined in the Product Requirement Document and Technical
Specifications, thoroughly tested and assured reliable operation.
But that is precisely what is not feasible with the "Everything" medium.
This is an old debate.
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/server@lists.fedoraproject....
Have you asked some folks why they're using the "Everything" image instead
of the one you're recommending on the Server website and in Server documentation?
> On one hand, if somebody is experienced enough to find
alternative download images, they should kinda know what they're doing.
Yes and No. Obviously, many Fedora users are used to everything working
reliably and predictably "out of the box". And that's exactly what our
goal is (with Fedora Next) and what sets us apart from other
distributions. So you click on the installation menu and everything
runs as it is listed there.
Only when following directions. That's really a thing still.
If you've done your best to encourage users, providers, downstreams to use the proper
images - and they still use the wrong thing... I'm not sure what to say.
Therefore, I think the easiest solution is to just remove the „Fedora
Server Edition“. And make it very clear that this is not the Fedora
corresponding to "Fedora NeXt", but Fedora DIY (for the adventurous
user not asking for support).
If it's truly easy then do it. Write up a change proposal. I think the significant
impediment for the proposal that will need to be addressed is how to square the fact the
media is titled "Everything" but the description is "everything but Server
Edition".
Seems like making a mountain out of a molehill.
--
Chris Murphy