On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mihamina RKTMB mihamina@rktmb.org wrote:
Technically,
- making rpms are easier than making debs.
Oh, okay.
- apt is NOT the equivalent of rpm, but the equivalent of yum
Okay, I must have used that.
- You forgot the package management of Gentoo, Arch and so on on your troll
Troll...? Asking a question makes you troll?
hello ap.
On 11/21/2013 10:33 AM, AP wrote:
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Mihamina RKTMB mihamina@rktmb.org wrote:
Technically, - making rpms are easier than making debs.
Oh, okay.
- apt is NOT the equivalent of rpm, but the equivalent of yum
Okay, I must have used that.
- You forgot the package management of Gentoo, Arch and so on on
your troll
Troll...? Asking a question makes you troll?
i may be wrong, but i do not believe "Mihamina RKTMB" meant that you are a "troll" as described by;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
because he said;
so on on your troll
as in usage as a _noun_, which is defined at;
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/troll
Noun
troll (plural trolls)
1. The act of moving round; routine; repetition.
as such, can also be use to define your type of posting via gmail.
by such, that you are making a new post to this list, where by breaking your own thread.
doing such, some may consider you "as an internet troll".
such as, my self, i consider that you are of less experienced in using an email client, such as, thunderbird, and posting to list via gmail account.
if you do not know how to do such, add;
*[off list]*
to start of "Subject:" line and address direct to my email address and i will be glad to explain further.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:51 AM, g geleem@bellsouth.net wrote:
such as, my self, i consider that you are of less experienced in using an email client, such as, thunderbird, and posting to list via gmail account.
*cough* *cough*
The above statement is both absurd and hillarious at the same time.
I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe, then to pop-3 email, then to IMAP, and now I use web based GMail almost exclusively.
GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because:
1. It allows to access my account from anywhere (any machine on my LAN). 2. I don't have to deal with local email backups (yes, I'm putting a lot of faith in the cloud, albeit making a local backup is on my to-do list) 3. I don't have to delete e-mail (I'm a data hoarder, I have every e-mail received/sent from 2004 to this date, and it serves me well for research purposes, often more than not, the answer is already in my GMail account) 4. I pay Google for additional storage
Of course this isn't optimal, there are some downsides: 1. Gurgle has been fiddling with the user interface too much (if it ain't broke don't fix it, they' ve heard of it...) 2. The new GMail compose is awful (thank you Jason Cornwell) *NOT* 3. Luckily both points above can be fixed via the Firefox Stylish extension, and UAControl extension (to get the old compose).
But hey, that's me.
What I'm trying to say in a nutshell: please don't judge people based on the email provider they use.
FC
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Fernando Cassia fcassia@gmail.com wrote:
... snip ...
Of course this isn't optimal, there are some downsides:
- Gurgle has been fiddling with the user interface too much (if it ain't
broke don't fix it, they' ve heard of it...) 2. The new GMail compose is awful (thank you Jason Cornwell) *NOT* 3. Luckily both points above can be fixed via the Firefox Stylish extension, and UAControl extension (to get the old compose).
Can you post some instructions ?
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko.hew@gmail.com wrote:
Can you post some instructions ?
Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :)
Cheers! FC
On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: <>
GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because:
i have a gmail account for other purposes that i pull in emails from because some of them i want to reply to and save.
also, i found that as only way to maintain threads.
your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and still maintain threading.
thank you.
Allegedly, on or about 23 November 2013, g sent:
i have a gmail account for other purposes that i pull in emails from because some of them i want to reply to and save.
also, i found that as only way to maintain threads.
your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new "Subject:" relating to how you are using a gmail account and still maintain threading.
That doesn't scan so well, especially the last paragraph, trying to understand what you wrote.
It doesn't require gmail to get messages threaded. Threading is done by the message headers, each message has its own message ID, each reply has another header saying which message ID it's in reply to, and there's another header listing all the message IDs that belong in the same thread.
The last one (in-reply-to) is used by mail clients to group all messages in a thread together. The middle one (references) is used to thread them all together in the right order.
Any mail client can do this. Any mail client can break this, and some do, by not not adding in-reply-to headers, and not adding and maintaining the references header. When they do that, they bugger it up for everyone else, as the data has been lost.
Message threading is NOT done by whatever text is written in the subject line. Though some broken clients think so. Some helpful clients will try to use it, as well as threading headers, to fit in orphaned messages into a thread (broken by other crappy clients), or to break apart a new thread out of the middle of an existing one (when the subject line changed). The latter not being a particularly good idea, either.
To see messages in their properly threaded order, one needs to use a mail client that isn't broken in that regard (Evolution, Thunderbird, and many others work), and pick the option that threads messages in the message list window.
Conversely, one can unpick that option, and sort messages via some other criteria - such as by "date," making a mess of the order of messages (hint - the generational order of which message came first, is done by what's a reply to what, not the date that it was read or written, dates are coincidental, not relational).
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
To see messages in their properly threaded order, one needs to use a mail client that isn't broken in that regard (Evolution, Thunderbird, and many others work), and pick the option that threads messages in the message list window.
I agree with all of this, however note that for threading to work properly *all* contributors to a thread should use properly threading MUAs. Unfortunately on this list (I don't mean on this specific thread) there seems to be a small number of people who are unable to grasp this. Thus one occasionally sees posts that are semantically part of a single thread but in fact appear in multiple threads from the point of view of even correctly configured readers. Nothing much to be done about it really, other than reminding them from time to time.
poc