Recent KDE poll
by Anne Wilson
This is the summary of results that I sent to the KDE usability grou:
No. of replies: 70
Application questions:
Classic menu:
22 people use Classic exclusively or almost exclusively. One person uses it
occasionally
Of dolphin users:
6 people use Favorites and Recently-used about equally.
31 people use Favorites exclusively or almost exclusively.
1 other uses it frequently, 4 use it occasionally and one never uses it.
6 people use Recently-used as their main launch point.
3 people use it frequently and 13 use it occasionally. 4 people said they
never use it.
2 people routinely use kickoff search.
krunner or alt-F2 is used almost exclusively by 3 people, while 1 person uses
it frequently and 1 person uses it occasionally.
3 people are running Lanceleot
1 person uses panel icons + katapult.
1 person uses cairo.
1 person uses only desktop icons.
Personal details:
Only 22 people were prepared to give personal details. I asked about
occupation, skill level, and also whether they fitted into the age groups
<25, 50-50, 50+ to see whether that was significant in working practices.
One was a 16-year-old student, who rated his skills around 5/10.
Of the rest, all but one were in, or retired from, technical occupations, of
which 4 were directly concerned with computing. 10 were in the 25-50 group,
and 11 were 50+, of which 8 were retired.
The remaining one person listed manual trades as his skills, and has recently
set up his own business.
Skill Levels:
Apart from the student, only one person rated his linux skills as low,
although he has high windows skills. One said 'reasonable' and 6
said 'moderate' or 'moderately advanced'. 6 said 'High' and 7 rated their
skills as 'Very high'.
Comments (in no particular order):
"It's better than the old menu, but I can't add applications to it."
"I changed the sort order.... When Name is in English and Description is not,
sort order is absolutely weird"
" Attractive and convenient, and much easier to use"
" better organised, but too many mouse clicks"
"maybe both the most recently used items and the favourites could be shown at
the same time. Maybe with the area of the menu split into halves, either
horizontally or vertically. However, the space is already quite limited, so
it might not be the best solution."
"Better than icons on panel"
"browsing is too slow"
"too many clicks and too slow"
"First, I tuned off the hover behaviour on the tabs because that has to be
about the stupidest thing I've ever encountered. "
"I definitely prefer kickoff to Classic"
"kickoff is too slow and cumbersome"
"I don't like the naming by description, rather than package names"
"kickoff search is great"
"I use Recently-used mainly for documents"
"I clean the recently-used document list regularly" (two people said this)
"I wish that it would resemble the way Gnome's default
Applications-Placces-System menu works. That way I could easier navigate to
all the other tabs besides favorites" (I didn't understand this one, but
maybe it means something to you.)
"It also needs to be more easily re-sizable because it takes up far too much
horizontal screen real estate needlessly."
"The right way for kicker menus to function is the same way app menus should
function, with menu actions taking place only upon a mouse click, never as a
result of mouse hover or mere mouse move. If you don't believe it, try
watching a typical over-40 PC newbie, preferably with a touch or worse of
arthritis in fingers and/or wrists, try to accomplish anything whatsoever
with a mouse. It's pitiful."
*********
As I said earlier, there are no promises that any wishes will be realised. It
was clear too that 'one man's meat is another man's poison'.
The team thank all who took part. You'll be pleased to hear that some of the
concerns have already been met - re-sizability was one point mentioned.
Thanks again
Anne
15 years, 8 months
Kernel-headers from Fedora 8 updates missing ext3_fs.h
by Howard Wilkinson
The build for kernel-headers from the latest Fedora 8 is missing
linux/ext3_fs.h it would seem that the config in the i386 build does not
pull it in. Does anybody know how I can alter the source RPM to get this
and other missing headers loaded?
15 years, 8 months
Re: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem
by landon kelsey
what kind of video card?
----- Original Message ----
From: Tony Molloy <tony.molloy(a)ul.ie>
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 3:52:42 AM
Subject: Dell OptiPlex 745 reboot problem
Hi,
I've just installed Fedora-9 on a lab of Dell OptiPlex 745 (SFF) machines. (
only in 1 lab TG )
After running firstboot when I went to reboot the machines they just hang and
I had to do a hard reboot. I thought this was a minor glitch and ignored it.
Now however when the machines boot into Fedora-9 the "reboot" and "suspend"
buttons do not work. The windowing system just shuts down and I get a text
prompt and the machines just hang there.
As thes are dual boot machines this will cause a lot of problems starting
monday when the students return ;-(
Is ther some magic incantation to grub to sort this problem or any body got
any ideas.
Thank's
Tony
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15 years, 8 months
Re: Can't switch to KDE
by landon kelsey
----- Original Message ----
From: g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net>
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 12:58:16 AM
Subject: Re: Can't switch to KDE
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landon kelsey wrote:
> I went through this when I installed F9
>
> switchdesk is DEAD
>
> I once used switchdesk to switch to KDE but no more
>
> On the login page at the lower left is an icon to allow
> the choice of desktop manager
>
> KDE GNOME ....
this has been suggested.
also, if you are going to *top post*, please remove history below it.
i thank you. and so will others.
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g
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learn linux:
'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/
'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/
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thanks! will do...old habit...I always fly upside down
Is this where it should be placed?
15 years, 8 months
Weird TCP problem
by Gordon Messmer
Last week, I started seeing very strange behavior in one of the networks
that I manage.
The office LAN uses a Linux firewall which masquerades their
workstations over their DSL connection. There are probably ~75
workstations in the office LAN.
Their mail server is in a collocated facility nearby. That server has
an RFC1918 address; its router does SNAT to forward packets to the system.
Here's the weird part: If a machine running Linux in the office lan
attempts to connect to the mail server on any TCP port, there's a small
chance that the server will simply ignore the SYN packets. It doesn't
log any errors. If I'm running tcpdump, I see the incoming SYN packets,
but no reply. If I use iptables to log the packets, information about
the packet is saved in the messages file. If I capture the packets and
use wireshark to analyze them, I don't see anything odd: the checksums
are good and I can't see any difference between a SYN packet that gets a
SYN+ACK and one that's ignored (beyond the obvious: different timestamps
and checksums). The problem doesn't seem to affect Windows workstations
in the office LAN. As far as I can tell, only SYN packets are dropped.
I don't see delays in established connections.
I've attached a file that contains, first, the output of tcpdump which
shows packets to or from the office's firewall address, as recorded by
the destination server. The first four SYN packets are ignored, but the
kernel proceeds with the TCP handshake after the fifth SYN packet.
Second, the file contains the log messages which are recorded as a
result of these iptables rules:
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s officefw --dport 22 -j LOG
iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s officefw --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
Those are the only iptables rules present on the server accepting the
connections.
Both of those appear to indicate that the server in the colo facility is
receiving the SYN packets. What possible reasons are there that it
would not reply with SYN+ACK?
19:08:43.751579 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 2705398041 0,nop,wscale 7>
19:08:46.751136 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 2705401041 0,nop,wscale 7>
19:08:52.749305 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 2705407041 0,nop,wscale 7>
19:09:04.747287 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 2705419041 0,nop,wscale 7>
19:09:28.741854 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: S 3347102294:3347102294(0) win 5840 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 2705443041 0,nop,wscale 7>
19:09:28.742540 IP remoteserver.ssh > officefw.57948: S 3324501337:3324501337(0) ack 3347102295 win 5792 <mss1460,sackOK,timestamp 15960089 2705443041,nop,wscale 7>
19:09:28.783886 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: . ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 2705443083 15960089>
19:09:28.789814 IP remoteserver.ssh > officefw.57948: P 1:21(20) ack 1 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 159601372705443083>
19:09:28.829114 IP officefw.57948 > remoteserver.ssh: . ack 21 win 46 <nop,nop,timestamp 2705443129 15960137>
Sep 4 19:08:43 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41807 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Sep 4 19:08:46 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41808 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Sep 4 19:08:52 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41809 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Sep 4 19:09:04 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41810 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Sep 4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=60 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41811 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=5840 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0
Sep 4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41812 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=46 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0
Sep 4 19:09:28 remoteserver kernel: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=00:30:48:97:5a:3a:00:0a:b8:8e:53:29:08:00 SRC=officefw DST=remoteserver LEN=52 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=56 ID=41813 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=57948 DPT=22 WINDOW=46 RES=0x00 ACK URGP=0
15 years, 8 months
Decent scanning app
by Mark Haney
I'm at my wits end here. I've googled and looked and tried and can't
find a decent scanning application anywhere. Back in the F8 days I ran
kooka and it was awesome. Problem is, it's not actively maintained and
isn't in KDE4. They do have a new scan app called skanlite, but I"ve
not found it in Fedora 9 repos (although it's possibly in a larger
package like Kooka was).
So, what decent scanning apps are out there? I tried Gnomescan. It
sucked. There's no way to add a scanner device to it that I could see.
I was going to go with Xsane, but wasn't sure about it.
If I have to, I'll rebuild kooka for F9, but surely there's a scanning
app in linux that is active and doesn't suck, right?
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15 years, 8 months
Re: Yum plugins -
by Dennis Kaptain
----- Mensaje original ----
> De: Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net>
> Para: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
> Enviado: jueves, 4 de septiembre, 2008 7:39:51
> Asunto: Yum plugins -
>
>
> I've installed F-9 and in the process lost the yum plugins such as
> "fastest mirror" and I can't find where they came from?
>
> Can someone point me in the right direction?
>
> Bob
>
Bob
Very often when I need a package but don't remember the name I try
yum list available | grep -i what_I_am_looking_for
If the package name has any resemblance to what it does, that usually works.
As long as the package isn't named icedax, wodim or some other name that has
nothing to do with the function it performs, you'll do fine.
Dennis
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15 years, 8 months
Make Sound work on f9
by Dave Feustel
I'm trying to play back sounds of the Russian alphabet on F9 using
Konqueror 4.1, but there is no sound. I know I can't play mp3.
How do I make sound work?
Thanks.
15 years, 8 months
konsole 4.0.5 & multisession failure
by Gregory P. Ennis
List,
I have installed 2 FC9 systems and am trying to get konsole to work in
the same manner as with Fc4->Fc8.
The one big problem I have is that there does not appear to be a way to
start a mulitsession profile from the command line, and there does not
appear to be a way to save a muulti-session profile to even look for any
changes in the way they are storing the files.
In looking at the other posts I am concerned that 4.0.5 does not even do
this. There have been some references to using kde-unstable that
apparently contaions kde 4.0.98 or at least something greater than
4.0.5.
Would appreciate some help!!
Thanks,
Greg Ennis
15 years, 8 months
HP PSC scanner problem - Solved
by SternData
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Posting this for the archives....
I know I had this working on some earlier version of Fedora. I'm trying
to get the system to recognize my HP 2200 PSC
printer/scanner/coffeemaker. I spent about an hour googling without
success, but working through all of the tools and tips in all of those
postings, I can summarize how to make it work.
Given: sane-find-scanner finds it:
found USB scanner (vendor=0x03f0 [Hewlett-Packard], product=0x2911 [PSC
2200 Series]) at libusb:003:002
but "scanimage -L" doesn't find any scanners.
Solution: yum install libsane-hpaio
Now xsane and gscan2pdf work.
- --
Steve
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15 years, 8 months