#182: Silenced, Threatened, and Finally Left
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Reporter: bmbouter | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 20
Version: | Severity: Neutral
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My IRC nick is: bmbouter
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket: I was threatened by a community member to have them call my boss
for discussing that someone's comments were disrespectful.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
Southern_Gentlem
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback: I'm really not sure, but maybe have Southern_Gentlem not
make threats to people
Any additional notes or logs: Here is the full log paste of the incident
2015-08-26 09:33:57 -- You are now known as bmbouter
2015-08-26 09:35:09 sebastian36 Okay. Now there is another
conflict: libpng with libtxc_dxtn, although this might be older
2015-08-26 09:37:57 --> rkratky
(rkratky@nat/redhat/x-rkxshjgpqdxglqvr) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:38:20 sebastian36 If I try to search things in Apper
it says: SearchGroups not supported by backend
2015-08-26 09:38:36 Southern_Gentlem stay away from apper for
now and lets use dnf
2015-08-26 09:39:09 Southern_Gentlem bmbouter, see the Channel
FAQ about away nick changes
2015-08-26 09:39:22 <-- thunderbirdtr
(~thunderbi@fedora/thunderbirdtr) has quit (Read error: Connection reset
by peer)
2015-08-26 09:39:26 --> nilekada
(29bf4db6(a)gateway/web/freenode/ip.41.191.77.182) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:39:53 --> indr
(~indr@2a02:120b:2c22:410:6257:18ff:fe76:1a47) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:39:58 bmbouter Southern_Gentlem: nick changing is
part of how I use IRC
2015-08-26 09:40:00 --> bitkiller (~bitkiller(a)191.179.238.246) has
joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:40:05 Southern_Gentlem bmbouter, see the Channel
FAQ about away nick changes
2015-08-26 09:40:39 bmbouter Southern_Gentlem: I've just read
it and this doesn't apply to me
2015-08-26 09:40:50 Southern_Gentlem you will see
2015-08-26 09:40:52 --> Relsak (~relsak@unaffiliated/kasler) has
joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:41:05 Grinnz bmbouter, No one cares when you go afk
2015-08-26 09:41:11 linux-modder _afk is frowned here
2015-08-26 09:41:21 bmbouter wow everyone who has helped me is
piling on
2015-08-26 09:41:25 bmbouter hello everyone
2015-08-26 09:41:27 sebastian36 Okay, trying to erase kernel-
debug-\* gives me 3 kernel debug packages, but also networkmanager-l2tp
and plasma-l2tp and xl2tp to be removed
2015-08-26 09:41:43 Grinnz bmbouter, it is just useless clutter to
the channel
2015-08-26 09:42:02 linux-modder not everyone hides join/parts
bmbouter
2015-08-26 09:42:05 -- Mode #fedora [+o Southern_Gentlem] by
ChanServ
2015-08-26 09:42:14 Grinnz join/parts have nothing to do with nick
changes
2015-08-26 09:42:21 @Southern_Gentlem bmbouter, i am telling
you it does apply to you
2015-08-26 09:42:41 bmbouter Southern_Gentlem: it talks mainly
of games, these changes aren't part of a game it's work thing
2015-08-26 09:42:49 <-- sebastian36
(~sebastian(a)cable-78-34-58-39.netcologne.de) has quit (Read error:
Connection reset by peer)
2015-08-26 09:43:01 --> ramblurr
(uid4204@amarok/developer/Ramblurr) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:44:18 bmbouter I get referred to this FAQ often
when I'm in this channel yet no one tells me a solution to this problem
2015-08-26 09:44:21 @Southern_Gentlem bmbouter, i think you
better read the Channel FAQ about away messages as i instructed you
2015-08-26 09:44:29 --> jalalsfs (~jalal@unaffiliated/jalalsfs)
has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:44:42 bmbouter Southern_Gentlem: I already have,
isn't that clear?
2015-08-26 09:44:56 --> sebastian36
(~sebastian(a)cable-78-34-58-39.netcologne.de) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:45:00 @Southern_Gentlem no because it says nothing
about games
2015-08-26 09:45:19 sebastian36 hey, I'm back. Sorry, my trial
version of the app suddenly ran ot
2015-08-26 09:45:20 bmbouter I'm in many IRC channels many of
them expect an _away behavior. they are free to choose that. I use /nick
-all to easily manage that which also affects this channel
2015-08-26 09:45:23 sebastian36 out*
2015-08-26 09:45:25 <-- HarveyPwca
(~HarveyPwc(a)50-196-205-130-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has quit (Quit:
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2015-08-26 09:45:25 Grinnz bmbouter, "infrequently" does not mean
"whenever you go afk"
2015-08-26 09:45:29 bmbouter so what do I do here exactly oh
wise ones?
2015-08-26 09:45:43 bmbouter Grinnz if you want to help please
advise
2015-08-26 09:46:02 fenrus02 marking yourself /away is not a
problem. announcing to the world is annoying at best.
2015-08-26 09:46:07 @Southern_Gentlem bmbouter,now you are
trying to change the issue
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2015-08-26 09:46:19 bmbouter no if you want to help me then
help
2015-08-26 09:46:28 fenrus02 entitlement++
2015-08-26 09:46:33 bmbouter this is a practical problem for me
2015-08-26 09:46:41 sebastian36 So, when I try do remove kernel-
debug\* i get 3 kernel-debug- packages, but also Networkmanager-l2tp,
plasma-nm-l2tp and xl2tpd as packages to remove
2015-08-26 09:46:44 bmbouter fenrus02: your comments are not
helpful
2015-08-26 09:46:45 Grinnz what channel expects a nick change? that's
ridiculous
2015-08-26 09:46:48 --> mdelapp
(~mogro(a)c-73-12-109-45.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:46:54 -- Mode #fedora [+q bmbouter!*@*] by fedbot
2015-08-26 09:46:54 @Southern_Gentlem just be warned the next
time you have an away nick change or it messages the channel you are away
you will be kicked
2015-08-26 09:46:56 @fedbot bmbouter, You have been quieted in this
channel for 15 minutes. Please read the FAQ in the channel topic and
consider changing your approach and/or the behavior that is disrupting the
channel. Take a break and consider things.
2015-08-26 09:47:59 --> bmbouter
(bmbouter@nat/redhat/x-lfpkpccjagsuxopg) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:47:59 -- Topic for #fedora is "Fedora 21, 22 end-
user support.|| Please READ:
http://tinyurl.com/chanfaq || Common bugs/op:
http://tinyurl.com/f21-bugs http://tinyurl.com/f22bugs || IRC Feedback:
http://tinyurl.com/fedoraircsig || Updated Live isos:
http://tinyurl.com
/Live-respins || Default to OPEN:
http://tinyurl.com/default-open"
2015-08-26 09:47:59 -- Topic set by N3LRX (n3lrx@fedora/N3LRX) on
Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:05:17
2015-08-26 09:47:59 -- Channel #fedora: 548 nicks (2 ops, 0
voices, 546 normals)
2015-08-26 09:47:59 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): "Any advice you read
here is provided by individual community members. You should use it at
your OWN RISK. This advice is owned by each individual, and does NOT
represent the views of Freenode, Fedora or Red Hat. This channel may be
logged"
2015-08-26 09:48:01 -- Channel created on Sat, 31 Jan 2004
23:59:18
2015-08-26 09:48:06 sebastian36 how do i do that?
2015-08-26 09:48:11 bmbouter so how does this silence work?
2015-08-26 09:48:11 -- #fedora: Cannot send to channel
2015-08-26 09:48:26 Southern_Gentlem cut and paste
2015-08-26 09:48:38 fenrus02 echo n |dnf remove kernel-debug\*
|fpaste
2015-08-26 09:48:40 fenrus02 should work
2015-08-26 09:48:53 sebastian36 [sebastian@Fedora-Sebi ~]$ sudo
dnf remove kernel-debug\*
2015-08-26 09:48:55 sebastian36 Abhängigkeiten sind aufgelöst.
2015-08-26 09:48:57 sebastian36
=============================================================================
2015-08-26 09:48:59 sebastian36 Paket
Arch Version Paketquelle
2015-08-26 09:49:01 sebastian36
Größe
2015-08-26 09:49:02 fenrus02 NOT HERE!
2015-08-26 09:49:03 sebastian36
=============================================================================
2015-08-26 09:49:05 sebastian36 Entfernen:
2015-08-26 09:49:07 sebastian36 NetworkManager-l2tp
x86_64 0.9.8.7-3.fc22 @System 338 k
2015-08-26 09:49:09 sebastian36 kernel-debug-core
x86_64 4.1.5-200.fc22 @System 43 M
2015-08-26 09:49:11 sebastian36 kernel-debug-modules
x86_64 4.1.5-200.fc22 @System 18 M
2015-08-26 09:49:12 <-- fedbot has kicked sebastian36 (Please
don't flood the channel, use a pastebin link like
https://paste.fedoraproject.org/)
2015-08-26 09:49:38 --> sebastian36
(~sebastian(a)cable-78-34-58-39.netcologne.de) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:49:59 sebastian36 yeah, i got kicked after writing
that^^
2015-08-26 09:50:15 fenrus02 sebastian36, use fpaste.
2015-08-26 09:50:18 fenrus02 dont paste here.
2015-08-26 09:50:42 Southern_Gentlem
http://paste.fedoraproject.org
2015-08-26 09:51:11 <-- JacksonIsaac
(uid13084(a)gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lzthniidpuabwtxh) has quit (Quit:
Connection closed for inactivity)
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.kabel-deutschland.de) has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
2015-08-26 09:52:17 sebastian36
http://paste.fedoraproject.org/259568/14405971/
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(~Thunderbi(a)87-57-20-106-dynamic.dk.customer.tdc.net) has quit (Ping
timeout: 246 seconds)
2015-08-26 09:52:44 nilekada Hi. I have a problem. I installed
Wine on Fedora 22. When I did, it removed Chromium. Apparently the two
conflict. Is there any workaround for this?
2015-08-26 09:53:19 <-- smaudet
(~smaudet(a)206-51-157-11.nktelco.net) has quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0
Equilibrium
http://www.kvirc.net/)
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(5ff67c73(a)gateway/web/freenode/ip.95.246.124.115) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:54:18 fenrus02 chromium doesnt ship with fedora
.. likely the source of the conflict.
2015-08-26 09:54:19 --> thunderbirdtr
(~thunderbi@fedora/thunderbirdtr) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 09:54:35 -- Jailout20001 is now known as Jailout2000
2015-08-26 09:56:18 fenrus02 weird. i cannot find the deps you
have listed as deps sebastian36
2015-08-26 09:56:40 fmiz Hi all. I found a typo here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_Virtualization_Spice_Features,
section How to test, the command "ps axwww | spice-vdagent", grep is
missing. Is ok just to report it here?
2015-08-26 09:56:48 fenrus02 sebastian36, did you run 'dnf
update' ?
2015-08-26 09:56:57 striker fmiz: open a bugzilla please
2015-08-26 09:57:01 fenrus02 fmiz, no. bug report if you've
found a bug
2015-08-26 09:57:21 <-- pschiffe
(pschiffe@nat/redhat/x-gydhgtquadejzfsj) has quit (Quit: Leaving)
2015-08-26 09:57:21 sebastian36 Did it right now, "nothing to do"
;-)
2015-08-26 09:57:22 striker fmiz:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora%20Documentation
2015-08-26 09:57:23 ira I have 4.1.5-200 in my local repos, and I
just synced up.
2015-08-26 09:57:41 sebastian36 the output for the remove is still
the same after the update
2015-08-26 09:57:55 fmiz ok, so I need a fedora account now :D
2015-08-26 09:58:01 fenrus02 sebastian36, do you use l2tp?
2015-08-26 09:58:09 sebastian36 i have no idea what l2tp is
2015-08-26 10:19:22 --> bmbouter
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2015-08-26 10:19:22 -- Topic for #fedora is "Fedora 21, 22 end-
user support.|| Please READ:
http://tinyurl.com/chanfaq || Common bugs/op:
http://tinyurl.com/f21-bugs http://tinyurl.com/f22bugs || IRC Feedback:
http://tinyurl.com/fedoraircsig || Updated Live isos:
http://tinyurl.com
/Live-respins || Default to OPEN:
http://tinyurl.com/default-open"
2015-08-26 10:19:22 -- Topic set by N3LRX (n3lrx@fedora/N3LRX) on
Fri, 21 Aug 2015 03:05:17
2015-08-26 10:19:22 -- Channel #fedora: 550 nicks (2 ops, 0
voices, 548 normals)
2015-08-26 10:19:22 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): "Any advice you read
here is provided by individual community members. You should use it at
your OWN RISK. This advice is owned by each individual, and does NOT
represent the views of Freenode, Fedora or Red Hat. This channel may be
logged"
2015-08-26 10:19:24 -- Channel created on Sat, 31 Jan 2004
23:59:18
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2015-08-26 10:22:36 bmbouter Grinnz, fenrus02,
Southern_Gentlem, linux-modder, I will respectuflly not change my nick in
here
2015-08-26 10:22:39 <-- sebastian36
(~sebastian(a)cable-78-34-58-39.netcologne.de) has left #fedora
2015-08-26 10:23:05 bmbouter however fenrus02 your comment
saying I'm entitled when I was asking for help was out of line sir
2015-08-26 10:23:17 <-- carl- (~carl_(a)spacewalkers.comhem.com) has
quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)
2015-08-26 10:23:56 linux-modder bmbouter, might wanna watch the
blows you throw fenrus02 is a long time member here
2015-08-26 10:24:21 linux-modder well respected one at that
2015-08-26 10:24:26 bmbouter with respect, membership does not
change the fact that it was disrespectful
2015-08-26 10:24:32 Southern_Gentlem bmbouter, i am about to
call your boss about your attitude in this channel
2015-08-26 10:24:47 linux-modder ;/
2015-08-26 10:25:09 Southern_Gentlem you are wearing a rh cloak
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(~vorpalbla(a)71-212-208-31.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #fedora
2015-08-26 10:26:01 Southern_Gentlem thats means you can be
called on the carpet for your actions in thischannel
2015-08-26 10:26:12 Southern_Gentlem the rest of us are
community members
2015-08-26 10:26:26 bmbouter I don't really know what to say I
feel like I just expressed that I want to be respectful
2015-08-26 10:26:36 bmbouter yet you make a threat
2015-08-26 10:26:40 Southern_Gentlem but you wasnt
2015-08-26 10:26:57 Southern_Gentlem no i am not making threats
i am telling you like it is
2015-08-26 10:27:12 striker I don't think this is a conversation to be
had here
2015-08-26 10:27:33 bmbouter I agree completely, I want to be
respectful and that is all
2015-08-26 10:27:47 Southern_Gentlem ok now what issues are you
having
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2015-08-26 10:32:07 bmbouter I really think the threat was out
of line given everything I've said
2015-08-26 10:32:16 bmbouter that's all I have to say
Thanks for your feedback!
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