[irc-support-sig] #103: Thouroughly unwelcome in #fedora
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#103: Thouroughly unwelcome in #fedora
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Reporter: timschmidt | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 16
Version: | Severity: Neutral
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My IRC nick is: timschmidt
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket:
Ran into a minor nautilus bug. Found a workaround. Hopped on IRC to see
if anyone had encountered it, or not. IRC nick randomuser was helpful,
reasonable, etc. IRC nick fenrus02 made me regret taking the effort to
report a bug.
fenrus02 single-handedly made me uncomfortable enough in #fedora, in the
course of a dozen lines, for me to spend the time writing this.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback:
Treat everyone in IRC as if they know what they're doing until they prove
otherwise. Some of us are developers, too.
Any additional notes or logs:
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<timschmidt> I was wondering if someone here could get a quick fix into
Fedora, or upstream Gnome... I'm on Fedora 16, copying several terabytes
of files in Nautilus. During copying, the machine grinds to a halt.
Completely unresponsive. Quad core Phenom, 8Gb ram, etc. 'ionice -c3'ing
nautilus fixed it immediately. Seems like this should be the default
behavior.
<[R]> so file a bug report
<timschmidt> Just to be clear, 'ionice -c3' gives nautilus essentially
batch priority, moving everything else to the front of the line
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<[R]> well yo0u can't have it both ways
<randomuser> timschmidt, USB storage?
<timschmidt> randomuser: It's worst with USB, but I notice it with eSATA
as well
<randomuser> there a couple bugs in various places that {pro,re}gress with
time
<randomuser> regarding USB IO taking over the system, i mean
<timschmidt> [R]: I don't want it more than one way. Batch priority is
what nautilus should have. Otherwise it too easily starves everything
else.
<[R]> ok, so file a bug report...
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<timschmidt> randomuser: Well, I don't know how upstream would want to
address that. ionice seems to be an effective workaround. And it'd be
nice to have sane behavior by default, at least until the other bugs are
addressed
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<randomuser> timschmidt, usually, the bugs are addressed as they are
reported. Nobody is expecting you to be a developer, and we generally dont
expect the developers to be aware of all the bugs
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<randomuser> and i mean 'we' as in users, and 'you' as in someone who
should file a bug report
<timschmidt> sure. trawling the redhat bugzilla now
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<randomuser> there was a particularly interesting one where a version of
CUPS caused USB IO to kill the system
<randomuser> probably irrelevant, but interesting
<timschmidt> I'm finding nothing with usb and ionice as keywords :-/
<randomuser> ionice is your fix, not the symptom
<timschmidt> yeah, yeah. I was hoping someone else had already reported
it :P
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<randomuser> i'll give you some advice, though, free of charge
<randomuser> it you're copying terabytes of data at a time, especially
over USB, across filesystems, it
<randomuser> it's not a bad idea to use rsync
<timschmidt> I commonly do
<timschmidt> And I report bugs, too.
<timschmidt> Tremble before the mythical responsible user. :P
* randomuser smirks
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<timschmidt> Although it doesn't help with the redhat bugzilla requires a
login to file a bug, and takes 10 minutes to send out the registration
email :/
<timschmidt> s/with/when/
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<[R]> NOT TEN MINUTES!?
<timschmidt> For me, an annoyance, for a parent or friend attempting to
report a bug, a brick wall.
<randomuser> consider it inadvertent pre-reporting qa?
<[R]> yes, ten minutes... my lief would proabbly end
<timschmidt> sarcasm helps, though. Obviously.
<fenrus02> heh. dont use a gui file mangler to do heavy lifting.
<fenrus02> use rsync.
<fenrus02> and usb is cpu driven. if you dont want to kill it, use some
decent phy attachment.
<timschmidt> fenrus02: either you missed the entire conversation, or you
don't get it.
<fenrus02> i read only what you wrote.
<timschmidt> The quad core phenom on my desk has no problem saturating USB
anything, without so much as a whimper... when scheduled properly.
<fenrus02> yet you kill it by using mostly broken tools
* randomuser frowns
<timschmidt> fenrus02: yet I do free QA for you, and you tell me I'm doing
it wrong.
<timschmidt> I normally rsync.
<randomuser> <fenrus02> i read only what you wrote. <--are you /ignore-
ing me, fenrus02 ?
<fenrus02> sorry, i thought you wanted it to work. Your call.
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<timschmidt> fenrus02: OK, hadn't realized nautilus wasn't expected to
work.
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<timschmidt> I can do sarcasm, too.
<fenrus02> that wasnt sarcasm.
<fedbot> Hey, we want to make the channel better. How about dropping us a
note and let us know how you feel the channel is doing, good or bad and
give feedback about users or issues also. https://fedorahosted.org/irc-
support-sig/ (Tickets reviewed weekly)
<fenrus02> randomuser, nope. you tried to tell him. guess he would
rather just file a bug report.
<timschmidt> you guys are great
* randomuser nods, winks
<fenrus02> timschmidt, http://bugz.fedoraproject.org/nautilus
<fenrus02> it has a "few"
<timschmidt> And as long as we're shipping it in the default install,
we're not worried about fixing any?
<fenrus02> did you look at that list of open bugs?
<timschmidt> It could be a billion bugs long, who cares?
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<fenrus02> ok. as i said, your call.
<randomuser> hang on - are you under the impression that fenrus02, or even
myself, are somehow responsible for the code you were shipped?
<timschmidt> no
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<timschmidt> I expected nothing. I got fenrus02 :P
<fenrus02> that url is only the fedora reported bug reports. gnome has
their own bug tracker with more.
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