#36: A complaint about conduct -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Reporter: templarian | Owner: bjensen Type: feedback | Status: assigned Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 13 Version: | Severity: Negative Resolution: | Keywords: -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Comment (by thomasj):
Hello,
first of all let me say, don't feel like an idiot or whiner that should be ignored. There was nothing wrong with your conversation or behavior. In fact, you were very polite and asked a valid question.
There's IMHO too often a general do-it-the-fedora-way-or-we-will-flame- you-into-oblivion" behavior in #fedora. Often enough combined with newb- bashing. The reaction is obviously that people leave and give *Fedora* a bad reputation, no matter what message their IRC client gets when they join the channel ([Notice] -ChanServ- [#fedora] "Any advice you read here is provided by individual community members. You should use it at your OWN RISK. This advice is owned by each individual, and does NOT represent the views of Freenode, Fedora or Red Hat. This channel may be logged").
That said, we're after all just humans and make mistakes. Though is there no excuse for being disrespectful to people one doesn't even know!
There's no need to assume that a new "nick" joining the channel and is asking a question, is a complete idiot just because he needs help (maybe put a post-it on your screen reminding yourself: behind such nicks are in 99.9% human beings with feelings)
We have AFAIK no hardcoded rule that a new visitor in #fedora isn't allowed to answer questions as the original poster of this ticket did.
Often enough people seem to forget that FOSS isn't just about freedom of the PC, but as well the freedom of choice. Even if that choice means it's not the Fedora way because it's not in our repos or recommended.
There's especially no need to be disrespectful of other developers (by puking on their product) just because someone is used to something different.
There's no need to forget that people come into #fedora from different cultures, timezones, probably with a language barrier, but having experiences in areas of science or whatever that we can't even think of.
New Fedora users (or just trying out Fedora) are coming into #fedora, used to their specific setup of software probably from a former windows or alternative distro. If you think that's not the best one, note some alternative, but don't act stupid. I could write for hours, but i think you should get the point.
Some of us might re-think about their behavior in the channel, be it "i'm operator and can do what i want" or "i'm the smartest ass in the channel, every new nick must be some idiot because he has to ask a question" or "if it's not in the official repos it's a piece of crap" or "insert $other_bad_behavior here".
Be excellent to each other counts for every place in life.
Sorry, i'm not that good to express myself or phrase everything right, but i hope everyone reading this will understand what i mean.
Your fellow operator