[irc-support-sig] #23: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges
#23: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
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Reporter: mathezula | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone:
Version: | Severity: Negative
Keywords: swiftboating |
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[X] Negative
[ ] Neutral
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My IRC nick is: mathezula
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket:
Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in
#fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the
log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather
confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines
for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob
dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #freenode-social
and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was
banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or
get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted.
*edit: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved
took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and
made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid
that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the
same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen)
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback:
I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this
in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the
operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team
meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place
is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating
a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those
standards are important (at least to me).
Any additional notes or logs:
Here are several clips (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02
kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I
directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private
messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what
I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into
in the various fedora channels:
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<fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours
asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other
intro docs.
<ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter.
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<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything
<fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really.
<ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign.
<ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now.
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<mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help
here depends on reading rute
<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing
<mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good
reading about apple rendering in F14
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<fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it
has not even been 24hrs for your yet ...
<mutk> mathezula, Not at all.
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<ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then.
<mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :)
<mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir..
<mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14
<Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working
<mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms
dong get along
<Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though
<fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is
you really want.
<mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14
<fenris02> mathezula, run osx.
<mathezula> osx != F14
<fenris02> next stupid question.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<mathezula> yikes.
<fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you
really want.
<mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in
F14' makes little sense to me
<mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is
standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux
systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros
but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :)
<ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype.
<fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll
blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting.
<ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe.
<fenris02> again. and again.
...
<mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'?
<mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output.
<SynFlag> man modprobe
<SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio
<SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre
/usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz
<SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe
<Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this?
<Aero528>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working
<mathezula> thats fubar
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<fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there.
<KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again
<fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was.
<Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass
kernel variables
<fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today.
<mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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<fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that
begins with 'kernel'.
<fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ...
<SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english?
<SynFlag> or fix the error
<ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe
<fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod"
<SynFlag> ok, thanks
<mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe
<SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works!
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<ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page
isn't found though.
<mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that
<Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not
familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line
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<fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE
<fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google
'I feel lucky' search result)
<ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous
file.
<mathezula> mutk, pm? :)
<ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs.
<mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up?
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PM with mutk
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<mathezula> im a loud person
<mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here
<mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various
roles here
<mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be
<mathezula> uhm.
<mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to
be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it
the wrong way.
<mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf.
Seriously ...
<mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the
right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're
doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol
<mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao
<mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay
attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what
happened today..
<mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble
<mutk> You won't.
<mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel?
<mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think,
let me have a look.
<mathezula> k
<mutk>
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC...
<mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the
ticket :)
<mathezula> sounds good
************ #fedora *************
<fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then.
<fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum.
double that if you want an explanation.
<Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done
much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place
<fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling
to read the answer.
<jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed
<jroysdon> we teach fishing
<fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it,
i can provide much nicer answers.
<mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include
an explanation
<Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out,
but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather
than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now.
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<fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and
quickly that way.
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<mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar
with it, dont hesitate to ask.
<Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping
to have it solved quicker.
<fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take
years longer ...
<ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software.
<Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help.
Sorry if i've been a pain
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<mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to
your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy
that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection
line in grub.conf
<mathezula> s/after/at the end of/
<fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put
things ...
<Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice!
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<mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the
only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is
actually running to select the kernel
<fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something.
it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage.
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* mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol
<mathezula> but i see your point
<mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time
too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf
<fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too.
<mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago
<fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux.
<mathezula> no not at all
* fenris02 chuckles politely
<mathezula> ...
<fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are.
http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png
* mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list
<fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new"
<fenris02> check the release date.
<mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07
<mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check.
{{{.
<fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question.
* mathezula shrugs
<mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :)
<fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked
yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the
same answer, you are *NEW*
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<mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about.
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<fenris02> ok. if you insist.
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<mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in
the future.
<fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your
recent history.
<mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong.
* ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02
* fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula
* fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula
<fenris02> enough trash.
* fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02
<[R]> that's what she said?
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************ #fedora-ops *************
* Now talking on #fedora-ops
* Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative
chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings:
Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting|
* Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman
at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010
* mathezula sighs
<mathezula> anybody reading #fedora?
<fenris02> Yes.
<fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop
being disruptive and rude.
<mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude
<mathezula> you're in a mood
<mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this
<fenris02> and?
<mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little
inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines
we have, isn't it?
<fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First
off, i am not mad at you at all.
<EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood
<mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines
a little more closely?
<mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half
hour?
<fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive?
<mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner
described for you.
<EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his
"job"
* ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02
* fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula
* You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula)
************ #fedora-social *************
* Now talking on #fedora-social
* Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon
Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ
≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋
* Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4
13:19:43 2011
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<EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start
<EvilBob> ONLY warning
<jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p
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<mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a
collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat
behind it?
<tw2113> mosrly community last i knew
<tw2113> mostly*
<mathezula> any idea where I could find out?
<tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more
<mathezula> lol
* fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com
* You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned,
EvilBob)
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Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/23>
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13 years, 3 months
[irc-support-sig] #21: nirik ftw
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#21: nirik ftw
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Reporter: lamdk | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 13
Version: | Severity: Positive
Keywords: |
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My IRC nick is: lamdk
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket:
After upgrading F13->F14, I found a lot of desktop functionality broken
(avant window manager dock messed up, alt+tab not working, brightness keys
not working, compiz not working etc.)
'yum distro-sync' didn't work at first, but somehow nirik figured out by
inspecting my log that I had to remove the pyglet and system-config-
display packages first!
now my laptop is perfectly normal and upgraded! thanks so much!
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
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Thanks for your feedback!
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13 years, 4 months