Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote:
Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Kernel Guardian wrote:
>> After all of changes in Gnome, systemd, user id and of course Fedora
>> leadership, maybe appropriate name could be "Mea GNUlpa" or "Mea
>> Maxima GNUlpa"
>>
>> (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa)
> I think when in future distros will be 1) some Gmome2 fork,
> 2) instead of systemd upstart/sysvinit again (or as option
> in conjunction with), and 3) all will not be drived by
> NetworkManager, then Fedora will be usable promptly after
> release again. UID/GID increase is IMO OK, and grub2
> implementation will be sufficiently good soon.
>
> Franta
What is wrong with systemd? This project needs some more attention from
developers but why do you think that upstart is better? sysvinit is
becoming obsolete, now in 2012! Maybe Fedora developers should make some
tweaks in systemd but I really like this project.
Systemd should be default init as early as in Fedora 14 - and soon will
be released Fedora 17 and here are still lot of problems and Bugzilla is
full of them. Yes, I hope too that evolve to something useful and mainly
stable - because I need work on Linux PC, not endlessly debug it.
And regards sysvinit - why should be obsolete? Its history is long - but
because did his work perfectly and was absolutely stable - and this is
important now as well. Personally, systemd may have some benefit on
desktops, but at servers, small and embedded devices is perhaps
overkill. At my i686 system i see systemd use 12MB/8.2MB
virtual/resident memory - only several services (clamd, apache, bind,
slapd) has bigger memory consumption. And sysvinit on Fedora 5 i686 use
only 2MB/0.6MB virtual/resident memory - and system is for years rock
stable and does all what is needed. And is completely insensitive for
me, if this system will boot by several seconds faster or not -
system/vga/RAID bioses on it initializes much longer than Linux start.
And another things, important from administrative aspect: syntax for
old sysvinit scripts is far simpler, flexible and ergomomical in
comparison with systemctl syntax.
But back to $SUBJ - i personally hope that "Mea_culpes" in Fedora we
have with F15/16 just away and in future there will be fewer such
unbaked and buggy projects. (Yeah, I remember yet as I tried sssd in
Fedora14 - after several months with locks, memory/descriptor/whatsever
leaks I finally wiped it;).
Franta