On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
>> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and were to
ask
>> "Where are the torrents?". Would they be told..."You must Goggle
to
>> find the torrents.", "You should have been active in the design of
the
>> Get Fedora page."
>
>Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
Is that what you were tasked with, design it for new users only?
No, Jon has already told you who I was tasked by the Board to design it
for:
"Someone who is:
(1) is voluntarily switching to Linux
(2) is familiar with computers, but is not necessarily a hacker or
developer,
(3) is likely to collaborate in some fashion when something's wrong
with Fedora, and
(4) wants to use Fedora for general productivity, either using desktop
applications or a Web browser."
I would
suggest that those folks are, again just a SWAG, not more than 5% of the
folks who would click on the link to that page. Even that level of growth
per release would be a good effort. 85% of us are what could be called old
hands, and some of even have the birthday count to qualify as a genuine old
fart, heck, I'm working on my 76th orbit around this star.
I ask again, where do you get 85% from? Who is us? All Fedora users? The
users(a)lists.fpo mailing list? Technically-sophisticated Fedora users?
Current / non-new Fedora users?
Point: Some of us 'users' have been here since RedHat-5.0,
I've been using Red Hat-based distros since 5.0. I was an 11th grader in
high school. (I don't use torrent, btw)
and many even
longer than that. Those that constitute 'fedora' only, which Red Hat 9.0
morphed into, probably constitute at least 70% of the 'users' today, but
that still covers quite a few years.
Where do you get 70% from? Can you please cite your figures?
So the fact that you even asked the
question means that 95% of the fedora users were ignored. That makes me
want to ask you why we weren't included in the overall design? We all know
about torrents and we gladly trade some of our bandwidth to reduce the load
on your servers.
95% of Fedora users were ignored? Where do you get that number from?
Do you believe that to be valid, a survey has to account for 100% of
users? (This is not the case.)
Bottom line is that one, 3 word hyperlink saying that "torrents are _here_",
would have prevented 99.9% of this ranting and raving. To say repeatedly
that there wasn't room for it is baloney.
It is not baloney. If you cared to actually pause and think about what
someone else has to say for longer than it takes you to compose a
witty/sarcastic/scathing reply in your head to what you're reading, you
might understand that days later now.
~m