On Wed, 2005-13-07 at 04:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
>Rahul Sundaram wrote:
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>>Your specific bugs may not have been addressed but if you look at the
>>reports, thousands of bugs are being worked upon every week. If you put
>>in bugzilla, you have a way to reach the developers and help keep track
>>of it. Users list is not going to provide you that.
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>Well, my experience is exactly the opposite.
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Well you dont have to take my word on it. Generate a report here
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/query.cgi?format=report-table and
see for yourself the stats available
>I've had great help from the Fedora mailing list -
>and particularly from you, Rahul, thank you -
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Welcome
>but my experience with redhat bugzilla has not been encouraging.
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Maybe the interactions needs to be improved there. I have been writing a
few guidelines in
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsReports
>It is not just that my two bugs were not solved,
>I saw no evidence that anyone had looked at them at all.
>I'd really like to feel that there was a mechanism in place,
>and hopefully someone looking over it,
>so that if a bug had not been investigated for say two months
>a reminder would be sent to the person in charge.
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A Fedora bug squad has been formed to address more of these concerns.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs. Stay turned for more information.
Maybe I was too harsh, in my previous posts.
That kind of strategy is what I have been waiting to hear, and is
commonplace in many of the opensource projects I have contributed
to.
It is easier to get help from the FC community, if there is a glimmer
of hope that someone is listening and is interested in finding a
solution. Less triage would be necessary if more simple answer were
provided on the list, rather than telling people to place a bug
report first.
When I discover a problem, I first check the man pages and
documentation, if I don't find any solutions, I use Google only then
do I ask on a mailing list. If I don't get any help then I look
for bug reports and if there are no bugs that are the same, place a
new report.
I don't recall the last time I had a bug that wasn't listed a bunch
of times in bugzilla, so I haven't added a new one for years. What
has been stressful since FC3 is the fact that all the bugs I found
had many unsolved entries and appeared to have been closed with
an excuse for not resolving the issue, rather than a solution.
I am encouraged to see that you are interested in motivating the
developers to work with the community in a co-operative fashion
rather than the combative one that seems to be prevalent now. I
know that speaking for myself at least, if a developer has a
helpful attitude I would bend over backward to help, but if they
have a snotty holier than thou attitude, I won't give a moments
thought about responding harshly or not at all. At the end of
the day, I don't have to live with any RH products, but if the
developers value their job, they do. RH used to provide the
absolute best products in the market until RHL 8.0. I bought
many box sets and even had subscriptions for my home machines.
I sold a bunch of people of getting RHL Professional, but since
then RH has provided me with more and more grief. I can only
hope there are others like yourself who strive to get things
back on track.
regards
Rahul
regards
Rahul