On Monday 31 August 2009, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Monday 31 August 2009 00:02:26 Roberto Ragusa wrote:
> People studied Skype:
> and found that it contains tons and tons of cryptography,
> obfuscation and countermeasures against debugging or reverse
> A closed source code like that and with an explicit
> purpose to build a crypted P2P network bypassing firewalls
> with every trick possible is something to be nervous
But that is just one more reason to reverse-engineer the protocol, teach
Ekiga to use it, and thus circumvent all malicious things skype is built
do to, right?
As for the firewalls, using every possible trick to bypass them is a
feature, in my view. I typically use skype between machines both of which
are behind some NAT, and it is a Good Thing to be able to do that. I know,
it's ugly, I have to use third party bandwidth, but it is better than not
being able to make calls at all. I would wish to see the same thing
implemented in Ekiga, maybe more people would start using it.
> The code constantly checks itself (this is why it uses a
> lot of CPU) and it decides things it should not (it was
> said that Intel convinced Skype to cripple multiconference
> on AMD CPUs to improve the reputation of Intel CPUs).
Again, if we teach Ekiga to speak skype, we would have a client that is
faster, less bloated, open source and being able to communicate even with
those who are ignorant about skype misbehaving.
If we don't, most of us will be pushed to use that misbehaved binary
ourselves, which is the current situation.
> I'd like a good alternative to Skype, even _without_
> Skype compatibility.
I tried to convince one of my friends to use Ekiga. Other than technical
problems he grudged about, the main argument against it was that all of his
contacts already use skype, and don't see the benefit of switching.
Therefore, he is better off using it as well, than trying to convince them
all to switch.
Skype has a very large userbase by now, and it seems that interoperability
is the only viable strategy of getting Ekiga or some other open source
client to gain decent userbase. Otherwise people will simply continue to
use skype, with all its flaws and quirks.
Skype has a signup that vz doesn't block, or cannot block. I have attempted
to sign up for an account with ekiga on at least 4 occasions now, also
twinkle, and the confirming email which must be replied to never arrives for
any of those services, which prevents a vz sub (only game in town) from
getting to first base. Which is another reason skype has a liplock on this.
Me, I'd druther sue vz for not being a common carrier, which they _claim_ to
be. Yeah, sure they are....
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