Re:Re:Deploring *nix Philosophy ( Was Re : Splitting archives across floppies )
by Parameshwara Bhat
Hello Mr. Erik & Mr.Robin,
I thank you both for taking the pains to respond in such details. I am
trying to clarify my position ( to myself first and the list ) help make
issues clear.Dear List,please excuse me for the lenght.I can't help.
I felt you both were mistaken in understanding me. Maybe that stems from
our different understanding of 'Desktop Installation'. I understand by
'Desktop Installation' - installation on a single home PC shared by
different family members but not networked or similar.Though all resources
are shared, timespan is different and for one only at a time. I expect a
good OS to be able to figure out what settings are required in this
condition - either through the choice of installation type or even by the
absence of a network card and network settings. I setup user accounts for
different family members and root account is managed by the more
knowledgeable member of the family or in combination.
Now I have soundcard, modem to dial-up,Cd-Rom / Cd RW and floppy which all
of us use.I appreciate the ability in Linux to setup the usage patterns
differently for each according to needs. Question is, how does the
installation itself sets them up? Every member should have sound, should
be able to connect to Internet and read and play CDs ( not everybody
write, if you prefer )
Consider fstab as a fresh Fedora installation gave me.Even if you have
floppies and CDs automounted, as user I couldn't unmount ( permission
denied or device busy , even after one has closed all file manager and
application windows ) and hence eject it.You are stuck. You have to either
sudo or go to root account to wriggle out.Now either I share root password
with each user to enable them to change CDs and floppies when they need
it, which compromises system health or go to fstab and change the entry
there, which I did after much digging into the OS and after a few days. OS
has no clues or helping scripts,or GUIs to help me.( Till I know about
mount / unmount and fstab file ) I can't go to help - in the windows way -
search on CD or floppies and get all the information the system has to
offer. Mind, I am new to Linux. Now,my question is, if this is the way
this needs to be done - security compromised or not compromised - why the
installation script itself doesn't do it understanding that from the
installation type chosen and options exercised ? Why should I be required
to do a research on the subject, distracted from my main work ? There is
Autofs built in Fedora which can be used to sense and mount and unmount
automatically any removable media without your knowledge, inobtrusively.
Fedora doesn't set it up either - not using one of Autofs's abilities.( I
do not know why it doesn't want supermount )
Ditto about modem and dial up. A user cannot run kppp or wvdial out of the
box. You must sudo or be root itself . On this I was helped by the list.
But even to go to the list or HOW-TOs, I either had to work as root -
again compromising security or go to Windows and do it. Now,if Linux is
really so security centric, isn't it wrong for it to force me to be root
to use the main resources of my computer or does it expect me not to use
them , to keep them as decorations ? Or the other option - going to
Windows ? Should any self - respecting OS expect you to use any other OS
so that you can set it up ? Ultimately you have to change the original
scheme of security as given by installation to be able to use them, why
shouldn't the OS or installation be designed to enable all these
fundamental resources of a PC ( without which PC is useless ) to it's
normal users and offer them full security, data integrity and all ? That
way - not being root where you shouldn't be, or fiddling with security
scheme given - are you going to enhance security or lower it ?
Presently I have a problem with using my sound as normal user - again some
permission issue.( Which I only realised today after asking on the list a
question about initialising the sound card ) But the above examples
explain enough my expectation and position.
Now RH itself is a decade old and in it's 10th version . I believe it
wants to be in PC space - the one I explained which makes up the biggest
chunk of PC consumers where the original Unix paradigm is irrelevant.But
wanting to be in this space, but not understanding the changed paradigm
itself, what does that speak about RH ? But RH is not alone in this.I have
tried Mandrake, Knoppix ( debian ),ElxLinux. All of them do ditto.Whose
cause are they serving - Linux's or the Redmond Giant's ?
Let's come to Erik's example . Should a driver of a car be a Mechanical or
Automobile engineer and be a master of Engine , Transmission system,
Sophisticated Instrumentation and all other things that go with them ? If
I am an Economics professional and want to drive my car to workplace, do
you expect me to study the internal mechanisms of the car or have a
technician seated beside so that I can drive my car ? Over and above, if
this car can recognise me and does not let my wife and son anywhere near -
how do you think about it ? Cars are what they are because their
manufacturers were not foolish enough to expect that of their users and
ditto for Windows.( Yes, for all its failures )
I believe I have been fair ( and forthright ). I have no hesitation in
correcting myself if I am not.
Parameshwara Bhat
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19 years, 11 months
Mplayer
by HARPER, WILLIAM IT2 (SW/AW)
I have a lap top that is not connected to the internet and have no way of
using any utilities that go out and get upgrades for FC2. I have down
loaded the files for Mplayer and attempted to install them using the RMP
-Uvh command but no luck on that cause it keep erroring out on me. Can
anyone give me a listing of all required files along with the Mplayer files
that I will need to down load and burn to a cd so that I can get this
working on my lap top. Thank You in advance.
Harper
19 years, 11 months
inodes VS files
by Bill Gradwohl
I'm asking the folks on this list about this even though its not
specifically a FEDORA question, simply because of the brain power the list
represents.
To make a long story short, an Administrator about 200 miles from my
location ran the / file system out of inodes on RH7.2. It was determined
that /opt/arkeia was where most of the inodes went, so I suggested he nuke
/opt/arkeia after we freed up about 50 inodes by deleting some junk files.
Instead, he did : mv /opt/arkeia /samba , samba being its own file system
with tons of inodes. This was done in single user mode. The box was then
restarted with no significant messages. I got status reports over the phone.
After that mv command, the arkeia directory structure disappeared from /opt
as would be expected. However, it never showed up at /samba. df -i still
reports only 50 inodes available on /, out of 98000+, but the files are
nowhere to be found on that file system.
fsck was run, and it reports 98000+ files on /.
Running :
cd /
for x in *; do echo $x; find "/$x" -mount|wc -l; done
provides the file counts of each directory structure, and adding up the ones
on / totals 17000+.
/lost+found is empty.
find commands run looking for subdirectory names known to exist under the
original /opt/arkeia report nothing anywhere on the box. I did this thinking
he mis-keyed the mv target, but the file /.bash_history clearly shows he
keyed it in correctly.
updatedb and subsequent locates also find nothing.
Its as though there are 79000 inodes in limbo. I didn't think this was
possible.
Anyone with any ideas?
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19 years, 11 months
FC2 und Partition Magic
by Thoralf Polet
Since running FC2 on my system Partition Magic refuses
to start reporting errors regarding the hard disk
structure. Any thoughts on that?
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19 years, 11 months
Re: FC1 va nVidia Latest Driver
by Phil Dybvig
The first change (id:5:initdefault) is the only one to change. The other
defines what is different about runlevel 5.
There is a keystroke combination to exit X, or just reboot and the machine
will come up in command mode.
There can be a lot of problems in the nvidia installer but once it is going it
works great. I strongly suggest visiting the NVIDIA forum on Nvidia Linux
drivers and Fedora 2 Thread before trying anything.
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=cda247219e46b3a0235c3eb8...
1&t=30399
If you have any questions, that is a good place for them.
-- Phil
19 years, 11 months
Where are my apps going?
by Ed Warner
When I minimize an application, it disappears to the
right hand side of the screen. After that, I can't
retrieve it.
What configuration am I missing? I'm using the Gnome desktop.
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19 years, 11 months
[FC2] How do I suspend?
by Norman Gaywood
I have acpid running. I can see that hitting the suspend button on my
laptop triggers an event:
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] received event "button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000001"
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] notifying client 2149[501:501]
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] completed event "button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000001"
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] received event "button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000002"
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] notifying client 2149[501:501]
[Fri May 21 13:34:44 2004] completed event "button/sleep SBTN 00000080 00000002"
I can also see I need to put something in /etc/acpi/events/ to tell the
system to suspend on the event.
What command should I use to suspend?
"usr/bin/apm -s" can no logger be used because:
kernel: apm: overridden by ACPI.
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19 years, 11 months
The Holy Grail to SWsuspend on FC2
by Ow Mun Heng
Guys,
I hope this is clear enough for you guys.
D600 Dell Laptop
1.4G centrino
512MB ram
520MB swap
14.1" radeon 9000
FC2 + 2.6.7-mm2
USB/network compiled as modules
Now, bear in mind that I did _no_ fancy tweaking of any settings.
I have S4 suspend (also known as swap suspend etc) working. S3 is still
not working. Shutdown is OK, it just won't come back from the dead.
I've set the screen to _blank_ when I close the lid.
S4 Suspend is via the Fn+esc key combo
I get it to work 98% of the time. The 1 time when I don't get it to work
is when it complains of lack of swap. ( the recommended was RAM+30% and
I didn't realise that.) and when it complains about MySQL not going
down. (when I manually stop it, it's suspends OK)
Everything is done via the acpid interface, and handled by a script.
I've actually posted snippets of it in this list and I've sent out a
couple of copies of it to numerous ppl on this list as well. (off-line
of course)
Bear in mind that swap suspend will take a couple of minutes depending
on how much it has to write.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-May/msg07369.html
Mmmkay...?
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19 years, 11 months
Re: rpm --verify -a
by Dwaine Castle
From: Jeff Ratliff <jefrat earthlink net>
To: For users of Fedora Core releases <fedora-list redhat com>
Subject: Re: rpm --verify -a
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:45:07 -0400
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On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 02:11:38PM -0400, Dwaine Castle wrote:
> I ran rpm âverify âa and received 2141 lines in output. Below, Iâve
> included a simple distribution of the error messages and some examples.
Is
> this normal? I installed FC2 from the DVD ISO image, and it passes the
MD5
> tests as well as the installation media check. Should I download the
> installation again, or go after the individual rpms, or is this an issue
at
> all? As far as I can tell everything seems to working well.
>
>
I don't see anything you listed that was terribly alarming. You'll
notice a lot of the config files are different in size and MD5 sum,
but that's to be expected if they change after installation. When I
did the same command I got similar results, although my numbers
where smaller as that particular system doesn't have as many
packages installed. I also had quite a few devices that were
showing a different user, but I assume that's because they were
installed under a different user than the one who built the package.
Do a man rpm and search for --verify and look at the description of
the error strings. You're seeing a list of every file that has
changed since install, but there are plenty of files that SHOULD
change after install.
As always, YMMV. If someone r00t3d your b0X and you don't catch
it because you listened to me, I'm not responsible. =)
Thanks Jeff. I am just working my way through Michael Jang's RHCE book and
ran this as an example. The book didn't mention anything about so many
error messages. Of course, he is using RHEL3.0 and I am using Fedora2.
I only turn the machine on once or twice a week for a couple hours, so I don
’t think that anybody has had time to break in. Plus there is a
firewall/router between it and the internet. The only user is root and the
only changes have been those made by up2date except for a minor battle with
switchdesk.
Anyway, I am glad to hear that this is not a catastrophic failure that I
somehow missed.
Thanks again.
Dwaine
19 years, 11 months