I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
Did I miss something?
Thanks, Richard
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
Did I miss something?
RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum" instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink to "dnf").
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:56 PM Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
Did I miss something?
dnf is not going away. It remains the package management solution for RHEL 8 and RHEL 9. You can find a version for RHEL 7 in the Extras channel.
RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum" instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink to "dnf").
That's not an accurate representation. From the 9 Beta release notes:
"3.4. Package management with YUM/DNF
Throughout this document, YUM and DNF can be used interchangeably.
In Red Hat Enterprise Linux 9, software installation is ensured by DNF. Red Hat continues to support the usage of the yum term for consistency with previous major versions of RHEL. If you type dnf instead of yum, the command works as expected because both are aliases for compatibility.
Although RHEL 8 and RHEL 9 are based on DNF, they are compatible with YUM used in RHEL 7."
Further RHEL 9 documentation will center around the 'dnf' moniker, eventually transitioning away from yum.
josh
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 01:43:59PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote:
Further RHEL 9 documentation will center around the 'dnf' moniker, eventually transitioning away from yum.
Thus completing my long, slow loss of this argument. :)
Oh well! dnf it is!
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 12:57, Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
Did I miss something?
RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum" instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink to "dnf").
I am going to call that an inaccurate and misleading statement which I have corrected you once before on. The product folk really really wanted to call it dnf in the run up and to remove yum name in EL8 and they would have loved to do so in EL9. The main issue is that the majority of the customer base for Enterprise Linux are on the Late Majority and later group who complained a lot about the fact that they had just finished changing all their documentation from up2date to yum and were not happy about doing it for a tool which used the same command arguments as 'yum'. These are companies which move large numbers of systems across multiple releases and want a consolidated documentation for all the 'supported' releases. As such, yum is probably going to be around for decades even if RHEL moved to .deb packages.
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 14:32, Stephen John Smoogen smooge@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 12:57, Neal Gompa ngompa13@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:53 PM Richard Shaw hobbes1069@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking to a software vendor about there install instructions using yum instead of dnf for EL 8 and he took the feedback back to the development team but the response was that dnf was "going away" in EL 9...
Did I miss something?
RHEL product folks hate the name "DNF", so they always call it "YUM powered by DNF technology". Consequently, the documentation uses "yum" instead of "dnf", even if it's the same thing ("yum" is a symlink to "dnf").
I am going to call that an inaccurate and misleading statement which I have corrected you once before on. The product folk really really
And I am going to call myself out for using language that should not have been typed in the first place. I have pointed out in the past that it was customer feedback which kept yum, but I should not have been as grumpy or vindictive in my phrasing. My apologies and I need to do better.
-- Stephen J Smoogen. Let us be kind to one another, for most of us are fighting a hard battle. -- Ian MacClaren
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