----- Original Message -----
> On Thu, 2013-07-25 at 17:36 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
>> On Thu, 25.07.13 14:39, Jaroslav Reznik (jreznik(a)redhat.com) wrote:
>>
>>> Partially accepted Changes
>>> * No Default Sendmail -
>>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail -
>>>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185328.html
>>>
>>> Sendmail will be removed from @core. Removal of sendmail from @standard
>>> didn't
>>> pass. Note: About @standard group might be decided in next release of
>>> Fedora.
>>>
>>> * No Default Syslog -
>>>
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSyslog
>>> discussed on
>>>
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2013-July/185329.html
>>>
>>> Remove rsyslog from @core, move to @standard pending revaluation in
>>> future.
>>
>> Note that this is not the decision I was interested in. I will hence not
>> work on the implemetation of either of these features. Unless Matthew
>> takes them over alone I will will mark these feature pages as obsolete
>> as they didn't get agreed on.
>
> Taking rsyslog out of @core is a one-line commit to comps which someone
> could do in 30 seconds. It hardly needs 'working on'.
Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for those features,
then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been done.
Thankfully, it's been removed from the default Desktop spin.
It all becomes
moot when a FESCO decision can be completely ignored. My
own opinions aside (I have a sendmail requirement but would not force it
on anyone).