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Intel's Clear Linux optimizations
by František Zatloukal 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

Hi, Phoronix recently release article[1] about Intel's Clear Linux with some cool graphs showing nice performance gain compared to Xubuntu. I didn't have time to dig in and look how it's performing against Fedora, but I'd assume Fedora can be compared to Xubuntu in terms of compiler settings. I think i'll be interesting to look into it and find out if Fedora can't tweak compiler settings (eg use LTO for critical things like Mesa, Kernel, ...). I think it could be interesting fo Fedora users to have this enabled if there are not any disadvantages other than compile time, compile memory usage and so on. What do you think? [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-clr-opengl&num=1 -- Best regards / S pozdravem, František Zatloukal Project Coordinator Red Hat

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Packaging Guidelines for Applications using Git Submodules
by Gerald B. Cox 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle the situation where a project decides to use submodules in Git. The archive generated doesn't incorporate the submodule files. I've done some searching on this, and haven't really come up with much. I've reviewed: Packaging:Github <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:SourceURL?rd=Packaging/SourceURL#G…> ; but that really doesn't address the submodule issue. I looked through some packages that are currently in the Fedora repository and found where a few folks have rebuilt the tarball and referenced that version as the Source in the spec file; then they put in a comment stating: The source of this package was pulled from upstreams' vcs. Use the following commands to generate the tarball: ... - git clone ... - git submodule init - git submodule update ... This approach is the best that I've found. Any other suggestions? Thanks much!

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Applications with AppData and not visible in the software center
by Richard Hughes 14 Oct '24

14 Oct '24

We've been looking at the AppStream extractor issues in Fedora, and we've come across a few broken applications. Broken apps are not visible in the application installer. The apps include: * albumart * apitrace-gui * appstream * asylum * audience * bomber * bovo * calligra-braindump * cervisia * choqok * classified-ads * crrcsim * cube * curblaster * dsi * escape * ettercap * font-manager * freedink-engine * gap-core * gnofract4d * gvrng * hgview * hyperrogue * kaddressbook * key-mon * kgraphviewer * knotes * konqueror * LabPlot * nextcloud-client (maybe fixed in distgit) * openms * openvibe * owncloud-client * pingus * pioneer * portecle * qdigidoc * qjackctl * qsynth * qtikz * recoll * renku * rodent * screengrab * screenruler * simple-ccsm * slashem * spectacle * speed-dreams * tennix * tilp2 * tortoisehg * trophy * tzclock * uzbl-defaults * vdrift * vegastrike * wireshark-gtk * xfce4-power-manager * xfpanel-switch * xskat * yakuake * zanshin * zathura The full list, along with what failed is available here: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/screenshots/f26/failed.html If you want any suggestions or advice, I'm happy to help. Most of the failures are pretty self explanatory, e.g. "No <summary> in AppData" or "icon was too small 24x24" -- our guidelines are here: https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/blob/master/README.md#guidelines-… As a reminder, you can validate AppData files using: appstream-util validate-relax file.appdata.xml Thanks, and comments welcome. I can set up a script that sends email to the package maintainer if this would be helpful, but I thought we might be able to get the majority of these sorted with this email. Richard.

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Remove old GPG keys?
by Miroslav Suchý 25 Jun '24

25 Jun '24

I just stumbled upon https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/400634/does-anyone-bother-to-remov… with the nice link to: https://blog.laimbock.com/2014/05/02/how-to-remove-an-imported-gpg-key-from… And I wonder: is it a good idea to keep old gpg keys in RPM db? Or should we automate the removal of old keys? Mirek

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some man pages have bugs, can't be grep'd
by Chris Murphy 27 Mar '24

27 Mar '24

I've been seeing this since clean installing Fedora 30. I don't recall ever seeing it before, including on a Fedora 29 -> Fedora 30 upgraded system (is now the clean installed system). [chris@flap ~]$ man rpm | grep -C 10 rpmverbosity <standard input>:176: warning [p 3, 0.8i]: cannot adjust line [chris@flap mantest]$ man rpm >rpm.stdout 2>rpm.stderr [chris@flap mantest]$ ll -rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 62 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stderr -rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 28498 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stdout Is this a bug that should be reported against rpm or something else? I'm certain I've seen it in other man pages, but offhand I can't find another example. -- Chris Murphy

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Outage Notification - 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC
by Mike McGrath 24 Aug '23

24 Aug '23

There will be an outage starting at 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-07-01 01:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Unaffected Services: Database DNS Fedora Hosted Fedora People Fedora Talk Mail Mirror System Torrent Translation Services Websites Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1496 Reason for Outage: Final migration step for new cvs server. It will hopefully be offline for only 30-45 minutes. The additional time is for some further tuning if needed and some verification steps. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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[HEADS UP] -Wl,--as-needed is added in rawhide
by Igor Gnatenko 26 Jun '22

26 Jun '22

It's in redhat-rpm-config-118-1.fc30. If it causes any problems for you - let me know. In the meantime, you can use `%undefine _ld_as_needed` to disable it. Thanks for attention! -- -Igor Gnatenko

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upgrading RH 9 system->Fedora with iso files and apt only
by Didier Casse 17 Jan '22

17 Jan '22

I have the yarrow's iso files on my HD in a RH9 system. Let's say I want to upgrade selected packages using an "apt-get install" pointing to my iso-mounted files, how do I do it? i.e I mount the iso into some /mnt/yarrow1, /mnt/yarrow 2 etc.. Then what is the complete procedure to make my apt look into my own HD to upgrade packages. Can anybody redirect me to the correct resource or some literature hanging on the web? Thanks. Assume also that I do not wish to burn CDs! I do not want to use apt-cdrom. Thanks. With kind regards, Didier. --- PhD student Singapore Synchrotron Light Source (SSLS) 5 Research Link, Singapore 117603 Email: slsbdfc at nus dot edu dot sg \or\ didierbe at sps dot nus dot edu dot sg Website: http://ssls.nus.edu.sg

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Fedora 32 System-Wide Change proposal: iptables-nft-default
by Ben Cotton 04 Nov '21

04 Nov '21

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/iptables-nft-default == Summary == Make iptables-nft the preferred iptables variant. == Owner == * Name: [[User:psutter| Phil Sutter]] * Email: psutter(a)redhat.com == Detailed Description == <code>iptables-nft</code> package provides alternative implementations of iptables, ip6tables, ebtables and arptables and associated save and restore commands. These use nftables internally while providing the same look'n'feel as the original tools. Users may choose between both implementations using <code>alternatives</code> tool. Upstream considers the traditional implementations legacy and therefore renamed the binaries adding '-legacy' suffix. In Fedora, same has been done to <code>arptables</code> and <code>ebtables</code> packages, namely renaming them to <code>arptables-legacy</code> and <code>ebtables-legacy</code>. Legacy <code>iptables</code> and <code>ip6tables</code> remain in <code>iptables</code> package, which in fact is the only one other packages depend upon. To change the status quo, two measures are planned: === Raise priority of nft-variants in <code>alternatives</code> === Currently, legacy variants are installed with priority 10 and nft variants with priority 5. This must be changed as otherwise installing <code>iptables-legacy</code> in a system with <code>iptables-nft</code> installed would change the active alternative (since they are in automatic mode by default). On the other hand, existing systems using legacy variants should not be changed by a system update. Therefore nft variants' priorities should be chosen to match legacy ones. === Rename <code>iptables</code> package === New name should be <code>iptables-legacy</code> which aligns with ebtables and arptables and reflects upstream status. To resolve dependencies, <code>Provides: iptables</code> statement will be added to <code>iptables-nft</code> package. This should automatically change the default variant to nft. == Benefit to Fedora == * RHEL8 ships nft-variants exclusively, make Fedora align with that by default while still providing the option to fall back to legacy tools. * New features and improvements are likely to hit nft-variants due to the possibility nftables backend allows for. Although at this point some legacy features (e.g. ebtables among match) are still missing, others are already there (like, e.g. xtables-monitor tool) or are being upstreamed right now (improved tool performance when dealing with large rulesets). == Scope == * Proposal owners: Changes are rather simple: Rename <code>iptables</code> package, add <code>Provides:</code> line to <code>iptables-nft</code> package, change priorities used when calling <code>alternatives</code>. * Other developers: N/A The changed tools may cause regressions among packages using them and it affects only new installations (or those manually switched over). So while no explicit effort is required from them, they should be made aware of the change so they take a possible regression in iptables into account, quickly test against legacy variant and file a ticket (or complain to the right person) if that fixes the problem. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/8934 #8934] * Policies and guidelines: No change required * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) == Upgrade/compatibility impact == Due to the package rename and <code>Provides:</code> line, upgrades will pull in <code>iptables-nft</code> package. But due to the equal alternatives priorities, existing choices won't be changed and so existing installations shouldn't be harmed (apart from forced installation of <code>iptables-nft</code> package). Sadly, there are a few known issues, like e.g. missing support for ebtables broute table or among match and a few iptables targets/matches. Users depending on such features are advised to install <code>iptables-legacy</code> package and switch variants using <code>alternatives</code>. == How To Test == Any users of iptables/ebtables/arptables should switch to nft-variants using alternatives tool (if necessary) and check that everything works as before. Any issues should be reported despite the known compatibility issues described above since knowledge about who uses the missing features is valuable information for both up- and downstream. == User Experience == Ideally look'n'feel shouldn't change. Since iptables-nft does not need a lock file anymore, no problems with stale xtables-lock or parallel iptables calls in different mount namespaces are expected anymore. Given the changes currently being upstreamed, users dealing with large rulesets should see a performance increase when manipulating the ruleset (lower run-times of iptables or iptables-restore, packet processing speed should not really change). == Dependencies == Other packages depending on iptables: * NFStest * clatd * ctdb * fail2ban-server * firewalld * fwsnort * iptstate * libvirt-daemon-driver-network * libvirt-daemon-driver-nwfilter * moby-engine * nfacct * origin * podman * psad * python3-ipatests * ravada * rkt * shorewall * shorewall-init * shorewall-lite * shorewall6 * shorewall6-lite * sshuttle * sslsplit * ufw Since nft-variants are supposed to be drop-in replacements, no outside contribution is needed in order to perform this change. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Nothing needs to be done, the change should be atomic. * Contingency deadline: N/A * Blocks release? No == Documentation == * https://wiki.nftables.org/wiki-nftables/index.php/Legacy_xtables_tools * Man pages: ** [http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/xtables-nft.8.html xtables-nft.8] ** [http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/xtables-legacy.8.html xtables-legacy.8] ** [http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/xtables-monitor.8.html xtables-monitor.8] -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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Fedora 32 System-Wide Change: glusterfs dropping 32-bit arches
by Kaleb Keithley 19 Oct '21

19 Oct '21

There is a proposal[1] in upstream GlusterFS to drop 32-bit arches. The original proposal was to drop 32-bit with GlusterFS-7. GlusterFS-7 will land in Fedora 31/rawhide soon. More than likely though it will not be official until GlusterFS-8, which will probably land, accordingly, after Fedora 31 GA in Fedora 32/rawhide. [1] https://github.com/gluster/glusterfs/issues/702 -- Kaleb

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