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Intel's Clear Linux optimizations
by František Zatloukal 21 Nov '24

21 Nov '24

Hi, Phoronix recently release article[1] about Intel's Clear Linux with some cool graphs showing nice performance gain compared to Xubuntu. I didn't have time to dig in and look how it's performing against Fedora, but I'd assume Fedora can be compared to Xubuntu in terms of compiler settings. I think i'll be interesting to look into it and find out if Fedora can't tweak compiler settings (eg use LTO for critical things like Mesa, Kernel, ...). I think it could be interesting fo Fedora users to have this enabled if there are not any disadvantages other than compile time, compile memory usage and so on. What do you think? [1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-clr-opengl&num=1 -- Best regards / S pozdravem, František Zatloukal Project Coordinator Red Hat

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Packaging Guidelines for Applications using Git Submodules
by Gerald B. Cox 12 Nov '24

12 Nov '24

I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle the situation where a project decides to use submodules in Git. The archive generated doesn't incorporate the submodule files. I've done some searching on this, and haven't really come up with much. I've reviewed: Packaging:Github <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:SourceURL?rd=Packaging/SourceURL#G…> ; but that really doesn't address the submodule issue. I looked through some packages that are currently in the Fedora repository and found where a few folks have rebuilt the tarball and referenced that version as the Source in the spec file; then they put in a comment stating: The source of this package was pulled from upstreams' vcs. Use the following commands to generate the tarball: ... - git clone ... - git submodule init - git submodule update ... This approach is the best that I've found. Any other suggestions? Thanks much!

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Applications with AppData and not visible in the software center
by Richard Hughes 14 Oct '24

14 Oct '24

We've been looking at the AppStream extractor issues in Fedora, and we've come across a few broken applications. Broken apps are not visible in the application installer. The apps include: * albumart * apitrace-gui * appstream * asylum * audience * bomber * bovo * calligra-braindump * cervisia * choqok * classified-ads * crrcsim * cube * curblaster * dsi * escape * ettercap * font-manager * freedink-engine * gap-core * gnofract4d * gvrng * hgview * hyperrogue * kaddressbook * key-mon * kgraphviewer * knotes * konqueror * LabPlot * nextcloud-client (maybe fixed in distgit) * openms * openvibe * owncloud-client * pingus * pioneer * portecle * qdigidoc * qjackctl * qsynth * qtikz * recoll * renku * rodent * screengrab * screenruler * simple-ccsm * slashem * spectacle * speed-dreams * tennix * tilp2 * tortoisehg * trophy * tzclock * uzbl-defaults * vdrift * vegastrike * wireshark-gtk * xfce4-power-manager * xfpanel-switch * xskat * yakuake * zanshin * zathura The full list, along with what failed is available here: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/screenshots/f26/failed.html If you want any suggestions or advice, I'm happy to help. Most of the failures are pretty self explanatory, e.g. "No <summary> in AppData" or "icon was too small 24x24" -- our guidelines are here: https://github.com/hughsie/appstream-glib/blob/master/README.md#guidelines-… As a reminder, you can validate AppData files using: appstream-util validate-relax file.appdata.xml Thanks, and comments welcome. I can set up a script that sends email to the package maintainer if this would be helpful, but I thought we might be able to get the majority of these sorted with this email. Richard.

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sysusers scriptlets: what to do if upstream includes the config files?
by Adam Williamson 26 Jul '24

26 Jul '24

The guidelines for sysusers packaging: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/packaging-guidelines/UsersAndGroups/#_… say: "Create a <package-name>.sysusers file with the user definition and add it to the specfile as a source...use the %sysusers_create_compat macro to consume it in the %pre section: %pre %sysusers_create_compat %{SOURCE3} " but...what are you supposed to do if *upstream* ships the config files? openQA recently added these to its upstream distribution, so it seems wrong to replace the config files upstream ships with ones separately packaged downstream. But if I don't package them as source files, how can I set up the %pre macro? I tried this: %pre %sysusers_create_compat usr/lib/sysusers.d/geekotest.conf where usr/lib/sysusers.d/geekotest.conf is the path to one of the sysusers config file within the upstream source, but it doesn't seem to work. The built package has no %pre script. However, that does work if I eval it locally from an openQA source tree: [adamw@xps13k openQA (master %)]$ rpm --eval "%sysusers_create_compat usr/lib/sysusers.d/geekotest.conf" # generated from geekotest.conf getent group 'geekotest' >/dev/null || groupadd -r 'geekotest' ...etc... so...help? Is there any way to make this work right? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA IRC: adamw | Twitter: adamw_ha https://www.happyassassin.net

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Remove old GPG keys?
by Miroslav Suchý 26 Jun '24

26 Jun '24

I just stumbled upon https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/400634/does-anyone-bother-to-remov… with the nice link to: https://blog.laimbock.com/2014/05/02/how-to-remove-an-imported-gpg-key-from… And I wonder: is it a good idea to keep old gpg keys in RPM db? Or should we automate the removal of old keys? Mirek

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F35 Change: Debuginfod By Default (Self-Contained Change proposal)
by Ben Cotton 05 Jun '24

05 Jun '24

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DebuginfodByDefault == Summary == Fedora users / developers who need to debug/trace distro binaries can make use of the recently activated elfutils-debuginfod servers to automatically fetch debugging data and source code, instead of having to use `# sudo dnf` commands. == Owner == * Name: [[User:fche| Frank Ch. Eigler]] * Email: fche(a)redhat.com == Detailed Description == Numerous fedora debugging-type tools have built-in capabilities to use the [https://sourceware.org/elfutils/Debuginfod.html debuginfod] protocol to fetch debuginfo/source code automatically. We would like to activate a setting so that Fedora's debuginfod servers are automatically used, rather than requiring hand-editing individual users' dot files. == Feedback == There has existed [https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/msg279002.html broad interest] in a Fedora debuginfod server since the project was proposed / announced in 2020, and several distros already operate public servers of this nature. Some of the distros configure their installations by default to talk to those servers, some do not. Turning on this by default has some limited privacy implications. Some Debian users have [https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/02/msg00262.html expressed concerns] that this facility "calls home" during debugging, so it may expose a limited amount of information about what a user is debugging. The information is limited to the build-id and source code file names of programs being debugged, and is only sent to the servers if their machine lacks locally installed debuginfo. Whether this should be opt-in or opt-out and how has been resolved there via an install-time query to the sysadmin. In contrast, on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, it is [https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/879926 simply defaulted-on], and we have heard of no controversy. We anticipate discussing this topic on the mailing list, and noting it in the release notes either way. == Benefit to Fedora == This will improve developers' experience. It may reduce download server burden, as only individual ELF/DWARF/source files are downloaded rather than entire `-debuginfo` and `-debugsource` RPMs. It would help Fedora catch up to other distros who put up `debuginfod` servers already. :-) == Scope == * Proposal owners: The work could consist one extra parameter in the `elfutils.spec` `%configure`. Its effect is to arrange for the `elfutils-debuginfod-client` RPM to install an `/etc/profile.d` file that sets the `DEBUGINFOD_URLS` environment variable automatically to `https://debuginfod.fedoraproject.org/`. (At the time of this writing, the _staging_ server is getting ready for testing: `https://debuginfod.stg.fedoraproject.org/`.) * Other developers: None - relevant code has been previously upstreamed! * Release engineering: None - our team is operating the `debuginfod[.stg].fedoraproject.org` VMs. * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: N/A == Upgrade/compatibility impact == None. Note that these servers index all active Fedora releases (32-), all architectures, so users of those versions can already set `DEBUGINFOD_URLS` manually to take advantage. == How To Test == * Install `elfutils-debuginfod-client` * Open arbitrary fedora binary via gdb. ** Admire the immediate downloading of debuginfo and source code. * Run `eu-stack -v -p $pid` for an arbitrary process. ** Admire the immediate downloading of debuginfo to give precise file:line data. == User Experience == Primarily: users running debuggers, profilers, tracing tools on internet-capable machines can work immediately, without switching to privileged users and fragile manual `dnf` commands to install this data. == Dependencies == The `debuginfod` servers at `fedora-infra` need to be up. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: change the elfutils-debuginfod-client subrpm to not set the default `DEBUGINFOD_URLS` environment variable for all users. In the case of a server outage, the debugger tools revert to debuginfo-less operation, prior to this feature. * Contingency deadline: shortly before freeze * Blocks release? No == Documentation == There is upstream documentation in the debugging tools as well as associated with the client code / cli tooling. What our Release Notes would focus on however is the _automatic activation_ of this facility via the environment variable. == Release Notes == TBD. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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some man pages have bugs, can't be grep'd
by Chris Murphy 27 Mar '24

27 Mar '24

I've been seeing this since clean installing Fedora 30. I don't recall ever seeing it before, including on a Fedora 29 -> Fedora 30 upgraded system (is now the clean installed system). [chris@flap ~]$ man rpm | grep -C 10 rpmverbosity <standard input>:176: warning [p 3, 0.8i]: cannot adjust line [chris@flap mantest]$ man rpm >rpm.stdout 2>rpm.stderr [chris@flap mantest]$ ll -rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 62 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stderr -rw-rw-r--. 1 chris chris 28498 Jul 16 14:24 rpm.stdout Is this a bug that should be reported against rpm or something else? I'm certain I've seen it in other man pages, but offhand I can't find another example. -- Chris Murphy

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Unretire ulogd (or another NFLOG logger?)
by Chris Adams 21 Feb '24

21 Feb '24

I'd like to use NFLOG to log firewall drops (so that the kernel message log isn't spammed by them), but it doesn't appear there's anything currently in Fedora that can read that other than "tcpdump -i nflog". It looks like ulogd was retired a while back because it only had a SysV init script and nobody stepped up to convert it to systemd (which should be really simple, since the old init script is pretty much a textbook template of a SysV init script). Am I missing anything? Is that all it needs? Is there another NFLOG logger daemon? -- Chris Adams <linux(a)cmadams.net>

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Outage Notification - 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC
by Mike McGrath 25 Aug '23

25 Aug '23

There will be an outage starting at 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-07-01 01:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Unaffected Services: Database DNS Fedora Hosted Fedora People Fedora Talk Mail Mirror System Torrent Translation Services Websites Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1496 Reason for Outage: Final migration step for new cvs server. It will hopefully be offline for only 30-45 minutes. The additional time is for some further tuning if needed and some verification steps. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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F36 Change: Default To Noto Fonts (System-Wide Change proposal)
by Ben Cotton 01 Jul '23

01 Jul '23

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultToNotoFonts == Summary == Changing the default fonts for various languages to Noto Fonts as much as possible, to make consistency on the text rendering. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Tagoh|Akira TAGOH]] * Email: <tagoh(a)redhat.com> == Detailed Description == For a long time we have used DejaVu fonts as the default font for European and other language scripts. On the other hand some language scripts are not covered by DejaVu and hence have other default fonts. (A few languages like Chinese, Japanese and Korean, as well as Gurmukhi, Sinhala, and emoji are already using Noto fonts by default for some time.) This situation leads to inconsistencies in text rendering on applications and desktops, particularly when mixing different character sets. Further Noto fonts bring some further advantages: the fonts are generally higher quality and support variable fonts for most scripts, making them more compact. This change aims to provide better experience and consistent text rendering across more languages by replacing DejaVu with Noto as the general system default set of fonts. The following packages will be installed by default to replace DejaVu's coverage: * google-noto-sans-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-hebrew-vf-fonts * google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts And you can check [https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table] to see what languages will be affected by this change. == Benefit to Fedora == We would get better text rendering on applications and desktops. Also this change should save about 6MB on the fresh install. <pre> $ rpm -qlv dejavu-sans-fonts dejavu-serif-fonts dejavu-sans-mono-fonts | awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print a}' 10789272</pre> <pre> $ rpm -qlv google-noto-sans-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts google-noto -sans-hebrew-vf-fonts google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-f onts google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-f onts google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts | awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print a}' 4753340 </pre> == Scope == * Proposal owners: ** Update google-noto-fonts and dejavu-fonts to change the priority for fontconfig config. ** Update langpacks to update the dependency. ** Update comps to make Noto fonts default. ** Update lorax templates related to DejaVu. ** Update fontconfig to change the order of fonts in the builtin config. * Other developers: ** Packagers who owns packages implicitly expects DejaVu is installed by default will needs to update the dependency for them. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10492 #10492] * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: == Upgrade/compatibility impact == The migration will be done by updating langpacks. after upgrading and rebooting, the default font will be Noto instead of DejaVu. Since this change aims to switch non-variable fonts to variable fonts, it may not works with legacy applications as expected such as missing some variants. in that case, you can install non-variable fonts packages. the package name will be similar and simply drop `-vf` from the variable fonts packages. == How To Test == * This change can be simply tested by `fc-match` command like `fc-match sans:lang=<your langauge>`, `fc-match serif:lang=<your language>` and `fc-match monospace:lang=<your language>`. You can check the expected result from [https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table]. * Test the text rendering in your favorite application, which use the system default font. == User Experience == Users will see the default font is changed to Noto by this change except for some languages which has much better quality of fonts. == Dependencies == Only dejavu-fonts, langpacks, and fontconfig are required to update. Other packages which explicitly has a dependency to dejavu-fonts are basicaly optional to update. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Revert the relevant packages updated. * Contingency deadline: Beta freeze * Blocks release? No == Documentation == None. == Release Notes == The default fonts for most languages will be Google Noto fonts instead of DejaVu, to keep consistency on the text rendering and to provide better quality among languages. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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