Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Something akin to Stanton Finley's Step-by-Step would be really nice. God bless you Stanton for having a site so clearly definitive. Everything else I've been to just hasn't grokked in me head yet. So, I'm hoping that someone can point me to a site that sez it all, one step at a time, to a nice working solution that hopefully won't blow up! <grins> Ric
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 12:57 -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Something akin to Stanton Finley's Step-by-Step would be really nice. God bless you Stanton for having a site so clearly definitive. Everything else I've been to just hasn't grokked in me head yet. So, I'm hoping that someone can point me to a site that sez it all, one step at a time, to a nice working solution that hopefully won't blow up! <grins> Ric
Hey Rick, I found this most useful for my dell d820 laptop http://www.illawarra.org/linux/index.php?id=howto
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
HTH
On 10/27/06, ethericalzen@gmail.com ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
See: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=77030
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:39:07 -0700 "Lonni J Friedman" netllama@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
On 10/27/06, ethericalzen@gmail.com ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
Spot on. I didn't mean to refer to their beta. I wasn't paying attention again. *snickers*
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 10:39 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
On 10/27/06, ethericalzen@gmail.com ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
Lonnie, been there.. first it starts off with assumptions that I have already done so and so and I'm not sure that I have. A step by step is really better, for idiots and dear ole Mum. <grins> My fear is that I'll do something half-baked and wind up with a locked machine or something equally dreadful.
I have dnloaded the 9626 nvidea driver from nVidia. But with all of the caveats in the past against doing so, should I instead try livna and yum? I don't want to grab packages willy-nilly and jam them in with a shoehorn and curses. I have to live with this machine and I'd hate to be deprived of my one addiction. (OK, make it second addiction) I want the result of this major upgrade to be forever yum upgradable and "approved" meaning I can get some form of relief should it blowup anyway. And! ...shown how to do eet stepper by stepper, just like a harddrive thinks. Thanks for all the work over there at nVidia Lonnie!!! But, James made some very basic assumptions that this user would be where he is, technologically speaking, and that ain't the case. Ric
On 10/27/06, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 10:39 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
On 10/27/06, ethericalzen@gmail.com ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
Lonnie, been there.. first it starts off with assumptions that I have already done so and so and I'm not sure that I have. A step by step is really better, for idiots and dear ole Mum. <grins> My fear is that I'll do something half-baked and wind up with a locked machine or something equally dreadful.
compiz & beryl are beta software at best, so you're playing with fire by running them under the bet of circumstances. If you're concerned about a locked machine, then you shouldn't even be touching this stuff.
If you're not clear on the instructions in that nvnews post, then you should ask on nvnews where the nvidia+compiz experts hang out.
I have dnloaded the 9626 nvidea driver from nVidia. But with all of the caveats in the past against doing so, should I instead try livna and yum? I don't want to grab packages willy-nilly and jam them in with a
I don't, but that's just me.
shoehorn and curses. I have to live with this machine and I'd hate to be deprived of my one addiction. (OK, make it second addiction) I want the result of this major upgrade to be forever yum upgradable and "approved" meaning I can get some form of relief should it blowup anyway. And! ...shown how to do eet stepper by stepper, just like a harddrive thinks. Thanks for all the work over there at nVidia Lonnie!!! But, James made some very basic assumptions that this user would be where he is, technologically speaking, and that ain't the case. Ric
What isn't the case?
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 12:26 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
If you're not clear on the instructions in that nvnews post, then you should ask on nvnews where the nvidia+compiz experts hang out.
I have dnloaded the 9626 nvidea driver from nVidia. But with all of the caveats in the past against doing so, should I instead try livna and yum? I don't want to grab packages willy-nilly and jam them in with a
I don't, but that's just me.
Right, but I ain't you nor do I begin to have your level of expertise. So, every time in the past when someone posts on this list that they used nVidea's drivers, instead of the livna ones, they get rained down on verbally, with much vigor. I want to beat this horse only once and then have updates appear auto-magically whenever the brainiacs extrude the update. I only have a chicken foot on this end to wave at it and it's becoming very old and tired like me, from over use.
shoehorn and curses. I have to live with this machine and I'd hate to be deprived of my one addiction. (OK, make it second addiction) I want the result of this major upgrade to be forever yum upgradable and "approved" meaning I can get some form of relief should it blowup anyway. And! ...shown how to do eet stepper by stepper, just like a harddrive thinks. Thanks for all the work over there at nVidia Lonnie!!! But, James made some very basic assumptions that this user would be where he is, technologically speaking, and that ain't the case. Ric
What isn't the case?
XOrg 7.1 or later Well, it says make sure you have the latest X0rg. Like the cockroach man from "The Men In Black" crashing around going "Where is it!? Where - is - it?!" rpm -q xorg or Xorg or XOrg jeesus. I fergit! Nice docs would say -check using rpm -q Xorg-blahblah nice step by step for the braindead or Good Ole Mum. I'd like to have this pain over in 10 minutes or less.
NVIDIA graphics drivers >= 1.0-9625
From where?? link to driver that is yum supported or link to one that is
not. check this, check that. Use this one at your own risk, that kinda thing. I beleive and trust in you and nVidea explicitly. It seems the Fedora / RH stance is to trust only livna-brand rpms. What the fizeck do I or the average user know? I've never figured that one out, as you love what you do and it's not about the Ka-ching!
I have always imagined your setup to include many terminals to telnet into with, oscilloscopes, racks of CD's and Dvd's, Leyden Jars, dwarvish assistants running hither and yon, logic and flow charts sealed with mystical wax impressions runes made by lawyers wearing soft Italian loafers, a pointy hat to peek out from under and a Rooster Foot, from the very dangerous creature that won it's share of peck-off-steel-cage matches before an untimely death. Me? My pencil has no point and the eraser long worn down. So, sure you can do things I wouldn't dream of. <chuckles>
I've read a lot of posts that suggest one thing or another. Click this and you're back to normal. I like that! It was noted for FC6 and I'm just plainly clueless and not sure that it would apply for FC5. Am I willing to risk a "little bit for added features? Sure... I just want to minimize the dangers by either being informed or led by someone who can relate how to do this, one step at a time. Just like good ole Stanton does, with a boat load of Patience for the Great Unwashed.
Empathy. Have your guy hit himself upside his own head with a baseball bat and have a few stiff drinks. THEN write a howto for Mr. Average Joe Lunchbucket, after he gets roaring ignorant and disoriented, full of Fear and Loathing in Llama Land. <cackles> If you still don't get me, then hit yourself upside the head with a baseball bat, have a couple of stiff ones and lead your now properly stupefied assistant into the Promised Land full of Milk, Honey and truly great HowTo's written for Ole Mum and the Ole Wayward4now's out there in the gentle readers land. I'm just dumb enough to step up to the plate and say I'm not in complete understandings, is all. <grinning hugely, don't need the drinks to get here> Ric
On 10/27/06, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 12:26 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
shoehorn and curses. I have to live with this machine and I'd hate to be deprived of my one addiction. (OK, make it second addiction) I want the result of this major upgrade to be forever yum upgradable and "approved" meaning I can get some form of relief should it blowup anyway. And! ...shown how to do eet stepper by stepper, just like a harddrive thinks. Thanks for all the work over there at nVidia Lonnie!!! But, James made some very basic assumptions that this user would be where he is, technologically speaking, and that ain't the case. Ric
What isn't the case?
XOrg 7.1 or later Well, it says make sure you have the latest X0rg. Like the cockroach man from "The Men In Black" crashing around going "Where is it!? Where - is
- it?!" rpm -q xorg or Xorg or XOrg jeesus. I fergit! Nice docs would
say -check using rpm -q Xorg-blahblah nice step by step for the braindead or Good Ole Mum. I'd like to have this pain over in 10 minutes or less.
The nvnews instructions are intentionally not distro specific. The first 5 lines of /var/log/Xorg.0.log will show you the version you're using. The short answer is that you need FC6 for Xorg-7.1.x.
NVIDIA graphics drivers >= 1.0-9625
From where?? link to driver that is yum supported or link to one that is
not. check this, check that. Use this one at your own risk, that kinda thing. I beleive and trust in you and nVidea explicitly. It seems the Fedora / RH stance is to trust only livna-brand rpms. What the fizeck do I or the average user know? I've never figured that one out, as you love what you do and it's not about the Ka-ching!
http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-9626.html
--- I speak for myself, not my employer.
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:21:10 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 10:39 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
On 10/27/06, ethericalzen@gmail.com ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
Guys and Gals, I'm getting to information overload here and my brain hurts. Is there one definitive site with a step-by-step to install FC5 compiz for my GeForce FX 5200? So far I have the 1.0-8774 driver version, 128 MB of video memory and it sez Bus Type AGP 8X
Just out of curiosity. Are you trying to get AIGLX working along with compiz? That will not work without the 9626 nvidia driver. the 8xxx series doesn't have the GLX component to do the 3d stuff from AIGLX. If you're just installing compiz, well..yeah there's that then.
Lonnie, been there.. first it starts off with assumptions that I have already done so and so and I'm not sure that I have. A step by step is really better, for idiots and dear ole Mum. <grins> My fear is that I'll do something half-baked and wind up with a locked machine or something equally dreadful.
I have dnloaded the 9626 nvidea driver from nVidia. But with all of the caveats in the past against doing so, should I instead try livna and yum? I don't want to grab packages willy-nilly and jam them in with a shoehorn and curses. I have to live with this machine and I'd hate to be deprived of my one addiction. (OK, make it second addiction) I want the result of this major upgrade to be forever yum upgradable and "approved" meaning I can get some form of relief should it blowup anyway. And! ...shown how to do eet stepper by stepper, just like a harddrive thinks. Thanks for all the work over there at nVidia Lonnie!!! But, James made some very basic assumptions that this user would be where he is, technologically speaking, and that ain't the case. Ric
Step by step what I did. Be mindful of line breaks.
I downloaded the following rpms from livna. http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/testing/6/i386/xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-1.0.9626-2.lv...
and http://rpm.livna.org/fedora/testing/6/i386/kmod-nvidia-1.0.9626-1.2.6.18_1.2...
Armed with these two rpms I went ahead and installed. After which I did the following:
cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-bak emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf
add: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true" Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
to the "Device" section of your file.
add: Section "Module" Load "extmod" Load "glx" EndSection to the file. I placed the above section before the section "InputDevice" But
add: Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" EndSection
To the bottom of xorg.conf. If something breaks, you can telinit 3 and or boot to run level 3 and just copy xorg.conf-bak over xorg.conf and your machine will work properly once again. I believe the install of the nvidia driver edits your xorg.conf file anyway to use the nvidia driver. So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
HTH
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
On 10/27/06, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
You need Xorg-7.1. You get that either with FC6, or building it from source.
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 18:12 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote:
On 10/27/06, Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
You need Xorg-7.1. You get that either with FC6, or building it from source.
I rolled the dice, took Brian's advice and used the recipe at illawarra and so far I have all kinds of nifty stuff happening, rotating cube, sleek semi-transparent windows, buttons that light up and everything, while in FC5. I just followed it step by step, but had to enable livna on several of the yum installs. That was the only gotcha so far. Some of the text smears at times in menus. Got way too many options to figure out in one sitting, but the rotating cube desktop is wAy kEwL. Now to try some of the space games and see just what eye candy I've been missing. I gonna let everyone else battle the FC6 thing for a bit, to see what shakes out. And most important, nothing blew up!! Whew!
The instructions at illawarra did one thing I really liked. You loaded some, then stopped to test. Then loaded some more, then stopped to test, and so on. So you could recover more easily if something did go boom, installing in stages. Now to figure out how to view the skydome thing where I loaded that ubunto gal. <cackles> To coin a phrase, Life is good! Ric
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:52:43 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
As Lonni helpfully points out and is very very correct, although you can get compiz to work with aiglx on FC5, it's much much simpler if you move over to FC6. Although I did manage to get FC5 working with compiz and AIGLX, it wasn't at all stable for me and certainly wasn't fun to work on. I highly recommend FC6 for this.
During periods of high activity on my desktop, the mouse seems to have a bit of trouble tracking. YMMV, but I thought I'd point that out to you. It does look very good though.
HTH
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 21:18 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:52:43 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
As Lonni helpfully points out and is very very correct, although you can get compiz to work with aiglx on FC5, it's much much simpler if you move over to FC6. Although I did manage to get FC5 working with compiz and AIGLX, it wasn't at all stable for me and certainly wasn't fun to work on. I highly recommend FC6 for this.
During periods of high activity on my desktop, the mouse seems to have a bit of trouble tracking. YMMV, but I thought I'd point that out to you. It does look very good though.
So far the only problem Ive seen is that some applications menus break up into digital spaghetti. Otherwise it runs pretty well. Dvd playback is slower. Methinks with some tweaking it'll be usable for now. It looks nice as Hell, and now I'm spoiled. I'll wait for FC6.2 though. Ric
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 21:18 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 19:52:43 -0400 Ric Moore wayward4now@gmail.com took out a #2 pencil and scribbled:
On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 15:01 -0500, ethericalzen@gmail.com wrote:
<snippage>
So I suggest you make sure that you log out and back in to ensure the nvidia module is working before your start editing things and making back ups.
Thanx Alex! You did a great job of breaking it down more. Only prob is that I'm still running FC5. I thought the update of the livna modules was good for FC5 as well. Lonnie said in his post that it was just for FC6. <groans> Is it just a matter of having the FC6 kernel? Or is there a slew of changes making this entire matter moot? Thanx! Ric
As Lonni helpfully points out and is very very correct, although you can get compiz to work with aiglx on FC5, it's much much simpler if you move over to FC6. Although I did manage to get FC5 working with compiz and AIGLX, it wasn't at all stable for me and certainly wasn't fun to work on. I highly recommend FC6 for this.
During periods of high activity on my desktop, the mouse seems to have a bit of trouble tracking. YMMV, but I thought I'd point that out to you. It does look very good though.
OK, I GIVE!! compiz works pretty well on FC5 but there are just enough annoying jimmies going on that I might as well bite the gosh darn bullet here. Who would be willing to burn me a good working set and how much?? I don't have that much bandwidth now that I've moved to the kon-trey. Papadizi blows up now and that just pushed me over the edge. No Papadizi = No life. Ric
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:40 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
OK, I GIVE!! compiz works pretty well on FC5 but there are just enough annoying jimmies going on that I might as well bite the gosh darn bullet here. Who would be willing to burn me a good working set and how much?? I don't have that much bandwidth now that I've moved to the kon-trey. Papadizi blows up now and that just pushed me over the edge. No Papadizi = No life. Ric
If you are in the US go to www.cheabytes.com . The will sell it to you for a little over $10. It got to me in one day by mail.
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 11:07 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:40 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
OK, I GIVE!! compiz works pretty well on FC5 but there are just enough annoying jimmies going on that I might as well bite the gosh darn bullet here. Who would be willing to burn me a good working set and how much?? I don't have that much bandwidth now that I've moved to the kon-trey. Papadizi blows up now and that just pushed me over the edge. No Papadizi = No life. Ric
If you are in the US go to www.cheabytes.com . The will sell it to you for a little over $10. It got to me in one day by mail. --
Hi Aaron,
That would be www.cheapbytes.com . Phonetically, what you just wrote is a particularly vulgar word in a dialect of Chinese called Hokkien. ;)
Regards, Pascal Chong
On Tue, 2006-10-31 at 01:25 +0800, Chong Yu Meng wrote:
On Mon, 2006-10-30 at 11:07 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Sun, 2006-10-29 at 21:40 -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
OK, I GIVE!! compiz works pretty well on FC5 but there are just enough annoying jimmies going on that I might as well bite the gosh darn bullet here. Who would be willing to burn me a good working set and how much?? I don't have that much bandwidth now that I've moved to the kon-trey. Papadizi blows up now and that just pushed me over the edge. No Papadizi = No life. Ric
If you are in the US go to www.cheabytes.com . The will sell it to you for a little over $10. It got to me in one day by mail. --
Hi Aaron,
That would be www.cheapbytes.com . Phonetically, what you just wrote is a particularly vulgar word in a dialect of Chinese called Hokkien. ;)
Regards, Pascal Chong
Shay Shay, Pascal!