In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine? -- ======================================================================= Civilization, as we know it, will end sometime this evening. See SYSNOTE tomorrow for more information. ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I would think not, because the Pentium 4 architecture is two generations after the PentiumPro, which introduced the i686 architecture, i.e. PentiumPro->Pentium III->Pentium 4.
Rod
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:34 -0600 Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I think that Pentium 4 was the start of the i686 regime for intel. The P3 is a i586 device, as is the AMD K6 series. The AMD Duron and Athlon were the start of i686 for that line.
In other words, you are good to go.
On 11/20/2009 12:28 PM, stan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:34 -0600 Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I think that Pentium 4 was the start of the i686 regime for intel. The P3 is a i586 device, as is the AMD K6 series. The AMD Duron and Athlon were the start of i686 for that line.
*bzzzt* WRONG
If what you said were true, then F12 couldn't be running on my 1GHz PIII. But, it *is* running. And "uname -a" claims:
Linux linux.framingham.ma.us 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:41:45 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
But, I agree that the AMD K6 *is* an i586. (yeup, I have one of those too.)
In other words, you are good to go.
Yes, if the PIII is i686, then the PIV is too.
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:07 -0500 "Kevin J. Cummings" cummings@kjchome.homeip.net wrote:
On 11/20/2009 12:28 PM, stan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:34 -0600 Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I think that Pentium 4 was the start of the i686 regime for intel. The P3 is a i586 device, as is the AMD K6 series. The AMD Duron and Athlon were the start of i686 for that line.
*bzzzt* WRONG
If what you said were true, then F12 couldn't be running on my 1GHz PIII. But, it *is* running. And "uname -a" claims:
Linux linux.framingham.ma.us 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:41:45 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Right! :-)
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:57:34 -0600, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
You are fine with a P4.
For more information about what processors are no longer supported you can look over the feature page:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:28:14 -0700 stan gryt2@q.com wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:34 -0600 Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I think that Pentium 4 was the start of the i686 regime for intel.
Pentium Pro is the original "i686" system.
Alan
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 01:28:07PM -0500, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
On 11/20/2009 12:28 PM, stan wrote:
On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:57:34 -0600 Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I think that Pentium 4 was the start of the i686 regime for intel. The P3 is a i586 device, as is the AMD K6 series. The AMD Duron and Athlon were the start of i686 for that line.
*bzzzt* WRONG
If what you said were true, then F12 couldn't be running on my 1GHz PIII. But, it *is* running. And "uname -a" claims:
Linux linux.framingham.ma.us 2.6.31.5-127.fc12.i686 #1 SMP Sat Nov 7 21:41:45 EST 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
But, I agree that the AMD K6 *is* an i586. (yeup, I have one of those too.)
In other words, you are good to go.
Yes, if the PIII is i686, then the PIV is too.
And so is a PII, since it came after PentiumPro.
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On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alan Cox alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
Pentium Pro is the original "i686" system.
And since it was introduced in 1995, if your computer is less than 14 years old, you'll be doing fine.
No way Fedora is about to adopt OS X manners, Mr Konstam. Sleep tight :)
On a Pro, I'm afraid the RAM would have to be updated, though, even for text mode. Here's a source for an HP Vectra XW Pentium Pro 200 :
http://www.pcmemorystore.com/HP-Vectra-XW_Pentium_Pro_200-ram.htm
How about paying $278.92 for 64 MB of RAM?
I suppose Fedora decided to drop i586 support just to make sure that people don't get into even more stupid deals :)
Loooong live Linux!
On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:21:57 -0500 Marcel Rieux m.z.rieux@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Alan Cox alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
Pentium Pro is the original "i686" system.
And since it was introduced in 1995, if your computer is less than 14 years old, you'll be doing fine.
That is the "first". The last non i686 chips are I believe still in production for embedded systems and embedded PC. Also in the desktop world the VIA C3 is an i686 equivalent but due to a years old historic bug [which we are now stuck with] in the gcc machine definitions won't run gcc "686" code.
Alan
Rodney Morris wrote:
On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Aaron Konstam akonstam@sbcglobal.net wrote:
In the F12 Release notes it indicates that i586 support is gone in F12 and i686 is the the support available.
Are there any implications of that to running F12 on a Pentium 4 machine?
I would think not, because the Pentium 4 architecture is two generations after the PentiumPro, which introduced the i686 architecture, i.e. PentiumPro->Pentium III->Pentium 4.
I think there's a missing Pentium-II in there, seems that right after I get my PPro machine the P-II came out, bigger cache but running at half speed, IIRC.