Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
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On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 12:16, Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
Thanks a lot !
Not real sure what questions you have about laptop support. FC2 works just fine on the old Dell Latitude CPx laptop I have been using it on. Probably the most difficult item to get working is wireless. This is a general problem for Linux not just FC. To get wireless working you need to figure out what chip set your particular wireless card uses and then find either a native driver which is available for some or try to use ndiswrapper and use the windows driver for your wireless card. In my case I am using a Dlink DWL-G650 with prism54 driver. Works well. It would be nicer if there were tools that made it easier to detect wireless networks and make the connection. iwlist scan works to find the networks but a better tool that let you detect and then configure for the network would be nicer.
The other issue I had with laptop support is that for pcmcia network adapters (wireless or wired) you need to tell it NOT to start at boot time. When pcmcia services are started later on the network interfaces will be started anyway.
I was surprised that sound worked with no problem. When I loaded FC2 on my laptop I did not bother trying to do the dual boot thing. Personally I think dual booting causes more problems than it is worth. I have found native applications for everything I need to do. I use this laptop for work every day.
Depending on your laptop your mileage may vary. But all in all it worked out better than I had originally expected.
All in all I have been very pleased with FC2 on my laptop. And I do not see ever going back to a windows based laptop.
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:11, Scot L. Harris wrote:
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 12:16, Park Lee wrote:
Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)?
Lots, have a look :
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Laptop-HOWTO.html
and don't forget google [or yahoo] :)
http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+laptops&sourceid=firefox&start=... [watch the line wrap on that one]
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=linux+laptop+fedora&btn... [watch the line wrap on that one too]
Probably the most difficult item to get working is wireless. This is a general problem for Linux not just FC.
I'd add that in general, the newest hardware is the least supported [hardest to get working]. If you use a little older hardware, things generally work rather well. YMMV. [example: older wireless card just works here.]
The other issue I had with laptop support is that for pcmcia network adapters (wireless or wired) you need to tell it NOT to start at boot time. When pcmcia services are started later on the network interfaces will be started anyway.
This makes sense, when you consider that [by default] network interfaces get loaded before pcmcia and thus network services would fail if the [pcmcia] network card is told to load at boot.
Depending on your laptop your mileage may vary. But all in all it worked out better than I had originally expected.
I'd agree. RH7 through FC2 has worked on my Toshiba [Satellite2805-s603] so well I've never dual booted or bothered to upgrade to faster hardware.
And I do not see ever going back to a windows based laptop.
A what? ;)
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:33, Craig Thomas wrote:
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 13:11, Scot L. Harris wrote:
The other issue I had with laptop support is that for pcmcia network adapters (wireless or wired) you need to tell it NOT to start at boot time. When pcmcia services are started later on the network interfaces will be started anyway.
This makes sense, when you consider that [by default] network interfaces get loaded before pcmcia and thus network services would fail if the [pcmcia] network card is told to load at boot.
I still contend that this is broken. I understand the sequence problem with network starting before pcmcia. For awhile I modified the startup sequence to start pcmcia first then network. However if I tell the system NOT to start that network interface at boot time then I expect it NOT to start at boot time. The way it works now you are not able to prevent a pcmcia interface from starting unless it is not configured. For those lucky enough to have multiple pcmcia interfaces they would have problems getting only one to start at boot time.
A new process needs to be used to recognize that the interface being started is a pcmcia device and delay the actual startup until the pcmcia system has started. And if you have marked it NOT to start at boot then the interface will NOT be started when pcmcia is started.
The way it is now is confusing at best and broken at worst and should be fixed.
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:16 -0800, Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
if you are about to buy a notebook... the key issue in my experience is the video chipset. In my experience the intel video based laptops work well, while nvidia/ati are more cumbersome (even with the binary drivers), however the gaming performance will be lower than with nvidia/ati.
Other than that.... make sure you buy a laptop with speedstep or similar, the battery life and heat production matter a lot.
oh and google before buying for the model and linux, quite often others wrote about their experiences (and once you get yours, write your own page :-)
Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
Thanks a lot !
also don't be afraid to try FC1 if things go nuts. In my experience, there are two, new, major problems in FC2 WRT notebooks:
a) "Crazy Mouse". This is some type of kernel issue with mice. The mouse goes nuts and flys all over the screen. There are kernel options that can help with this; "google" for "psmouse.proto" to see the struggles.
b) X.org docking and undocking, as well as xscreensaver, cause display hangs and instabilities. All dell notebooks I deal with can no longer dock/undock (change displays properly) with FC2. They do not install properly either (requiring admin hacking to get the conf file correct). They were fine with FC1. It might be something other than X.org, I really don't know. X just scrambles the display and a power off is necessary to recover when a dock/undock is attempted. I can ssh in, if I have the time.
These two problems have caused me some stress. Nothing quite like having people screaming in my face because FC2 barfed on their notebook in the middle of a presentation!
My only problem with using Fedora is the management team will release "on schedule" even if major new bugs are introduced. This is contrary to most professional management paradigms...I guess they are trying to make some kind of point that "software can be delivered on time...no matter what".
--- John
Park,
I have had only minor difficulty with wireless on Dell Inspiron 8200's and Latitude C840's. I've also installed FC1, FC2 and FC3T3 on Gateway Profile 4's and had no difficulty. I'm about to run a test install on a Gateway Profile 5. ( Not laptops but similar in an "all in one" design )
Best,
Steve
On Sun, 2004-10-31 at 09:16 -0800, Park Lee wrote:
Hi, Would you please tell me How about the support of Fedora Core for notebook PC(aka laptop)? and what kinds of notebook PC can be supported by Fedora Core (such as FC2, FC3) ?
Thanks a lot !
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