A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com wrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 12:44 -0800, Kam Leo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com wrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
That is one answer but the way I remember it when the Live version boots there is a icon on the screen that says essentially install the version fro the Live CD (but not exactly in those words) -- ======================================================================= We'll pivot at warp 2 and bring all tubes to bear, Mr. Sulu! ======================================================================= Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akonstam@sbcglobal.net
Kam Leo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com wrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
Dean
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote:
Kam Leo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com wrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
There are a few differences:
* The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't).
* Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up your mind.
* The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's for installation or rescue.
* Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g. Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have to add stuff you want via yum.
* The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same the first thing you should do after installation is to run "yum update".)
poc
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote:
Kam Leo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com wrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
There are a few differences:
- The Live CD is a CD (obviously). You can run it directly or from a USB
stick (if your machine has no optical drive, as most netbooks don't).
- Running the Live CD lets you check that the basic hardware (video
card, networking etc.) will work acceptably before installing. And you can run it without touching your hard disk if you still haven't made up your mind.
- The distro DVD might be a lot harder for some people to download
simply because it's much larger. Also, it's *not* a live system. It's for installation or rescue.
- Once you install from the Live CD you'll get a smaller system (e.g.
Gnome or KDE but not both, no Open Office etc. etc.) and will then have to add stuff you want via yum.
Open Office 3 is included.
- The DVD version will already have most of what you need (all the same
the first thing you should do after installation is to run "yum update".)
poc
Fedora 10 Release Notes regarding installation and live-CD:
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f10/en_US/What_is_New_for_Instal...
Kam Leo wrote:
Open Office 3 is included.
That depends on the spin. The installer DVD includes it, the default live CDs don't (the GNOME one ships with Abiword, the KDE one with KOffice 1) because there's no room for it. Some live DVDs include it, e.g. the Fedora Electronic Lab (FEL) DVD, and there are CD-sized spins with OO.o on it, but at the cost of removing other software (AFAIK the only official one is the Brazilian BrOffice.org spin which has OO.o rebranded to BrOffice.org on it).
Kevin Kofler
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 13:55 -0700, Dean S. Messing wrote:
So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install?
More or less...
If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
Smaller disc to download, in the first place. But if you want more than it provides, there's more to download later on. However, since there's probably been a load of updates since the disc was created, you may face that anyway, when you do an update after the install.
NB: The live disc is only a test of whether a system can boot the live disc. I've used systems which worked fine on a hard drive install, but not on the live disc.
2009/4/14 Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.com:
If you have the live-dvd you would have discovered the answer for yourself: A menu option is presented to either run the live-cd or perform an install.
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
Dean
The best thing about live CDs are they are small downloads and you can choose a spin that you want. For example if you prefer XFCE you need not bother about installing Gnome or KDE stuff that you don't need.
There is one downside though, you don't get to choose the packages in the live CD that gets installed. So if you want to exclude any of the packages, you have to remove it once everything is installed. (not sure about this part, so correct me if I am wrong)
And a few cautionary remarks: 1. Make sure you have enough RAM in your system. Live CDs don't do well with systems with a small RAM. 2 gigs is okay imo. 2. If you have a very new graphics card (like my HD4870), GUI _won't_ work. You would need to do a text install. (No scares, I found console graphics pretty cool and easy to navigate through)
Thats it. And a good hearty welcome to your friend. :)
suvayu ali wrote:
There is one downside though, you don't get to choose the packages in the live CD that gets installed. So if you want to exclude any of the packages, you have to remove it once everything is installed. (not sure about this part, so correct me if I am wrong)
This is correct, you cannot tweak the package selection because the live image contains the packages only in already installed form (it's an image of a live system, not a set of packages). So removing packages has to be done the same way you remove already installed packages anywhere else (i.e. rpm -e or yum remove).
Kevin Kofler
Dean S. Messing wrote:
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
I guess you see the system running on the CD - or in my case, the USB stick - and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk without too much hassle.
Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith which in my case I do not have.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Dean S. Messing wrote:
Thanks Kam. I don't yet have it (which is why I didn't know). So I take it the install from the live-cd is just an ordinary Anaconda-based install? If so, what's the advantage over just using the F10 install DVD (February respin, of course)?
I guess you see the system running on the CD - or in my case, the USB stick - and this gives you some confidence that it will transfer to the hard disk without too much hassle.
Installing directly from the DVD requires an act of faith which in my case I do not have.
-- Timothy Murphy
That just gives you false confidence. Unfortunately, hard drive and video problems still lurk.
Thanks to all (to many to name individually) for the helpful answers! My colleague may be a new member soon.
Dean
Dean S. Messing wrote:
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
The installer comes up, with some of the screens (notably package selection) unavailable because they aren't applicable to how the live system is installed.
What happens is that Anaconda comes up as usual, it will let you do the partitioning, then instead of installing the packages onto the system as it does for a regular install, it will just dd the live image to your / partition and resize it to the desired size.
When working with live images, the best solution is to use the CD-sized image for the desktop you intend to primarily run (GNOME, KDE 4 and XFCE images are available), then customize your packages post install (by installing the packages you want from the repository and removing those you don't want). For KDE users, the KDE live image is the recommended way to install Fedora, though KDE is also available on the installer DVD.
Note that you cannot use a live image to upgrade an existing installation of Fedora, so there are 3 possibilities: 1. keep a separate /home partition (and possibly /root if you want to preserve root's stuff as well) and reinstall from the current live image at each release. The drawback of this approach is that you lose any systemwide configuration and that you have to customize your installed package set again at each release. 2. use the live image for the initial install, then use some other method (e.g. preupgrade) to upgrade to newer Fedora releases. 3. don't use the live image at all. ;-) My personal favorite is option 2.
Kevin Kofler
Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions.
Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations.
This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them out without changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD.
Hope that helps, Ken
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Dean S. Messing deanm@sharplabs.comwrote:
A colleague of mine is interested in trying Linux Fedora 10 on a new machine he's purchased. He asked me to help him. I thought I'd try the "Live install" of which I've read, but have never done before. It seems like a fast way to install and time-to-install is a bit limited.
I looked at the Installation Guide at <docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f10/en_US/index.html> but it didn't seem to answer my questions. Maybe I missed it.
So ...
I presume that the machine will "just come up", running in-memory from the Live Image on the DVD. (Is that right?) So, how does one get the in-memory system onto a root partition? Does the Anaconda Installer get involved in the process so that a "regular install" occurs using the Live data as source?
Pointers to instructions will be appreciated.
I've copied my colleague so that he can see for himself what helpful chaps y'all are. :-)
Thanks Dean
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Kenneth Lee wrote:
Use the Live CD to "try out" distributions.
Download and burn the DVD, and use that for installations.
This seems to be true with Fedora. Each distribution seems to work a little bit different, but the live CD's seem to be good for trying them out without changing what is on your current hard drive. Just don't "Install" if you want to test! Fedora seems to install "best" from the DVD.
The live CDs install just fine. They just don't upgrade (without reinstalling/reformatting) previous versions of Fedora (but upgrading a Fedora installed from a live CD of a previous version of Fedora to the current one using any of the methods for upgrading: DVD, preupgrade, yum upgrade etc. works fine).
The advantage of installing from a live CD is that you get a tested and consistent package set with default components known to integrate properly with each other. The drawbacks are that you don't get to customize the package set before/during installation (you have to do it after the installation), that you don't get to choose the file system for / (it's always ext3 until F10 and always ext4 from F11 on) and that some popular packages are not included for size reasons and have to be added after the installation if wanted (notably OO.o - you get Abiword or KOffice instead depending on the spin).
Kevin Kofler