Hi, is anybody using kdenlive on fedora? And if you are how did you install it? From which repository or how did you compile it? I heard in tlts podcast [1] that it is the best video editor (interview with Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production). Please listen to this podcast if you are looking into video editing on linux because there is ton of information and comparison between all video editor for linux desktop.
Cheers, Valent.
[1] http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_220-11-21-07.ogg or http://tllts.org/mirror.php?fname=tllts_220-11-21-07.mp3
On Mon April 7 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi, is anybody using kdenlive on fedora? And if you are how did you install it? From which repository or how did you compile it? I heard in tlts podcast [1] that it is the best video editor (interview with Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production). Please listen to this podcast if you are looking into video editing on linux because there is ton of information and comparison between all video editor for linux desktop.
The BLAG developer (Fedora derived distro) made similar claims a year and a half ago or so, and compiled it for BLAG, which meant you could install it in a similar versioned Fedora. I wasn't very impressed with it, and I do editing for a living. I tried to load every video file I have on my machine and it kept giving me errors saying the formats were incompatible. The layout seemed nice enough, and I finally got it to work on some clips, but, I don't see the excitement. It did the things it could do well, but it was lacking in many basic features. I think the BLAG developer reached the same conclusion because he seemed to cease supporting it after awhile - maybe it was a dependency issue, but, I never heard much more about it from that quarter, and I just checked his repo and didn't see it.
Cinelerra is the most capable of the editors I've tried, and I've tried them all, but, it has many quirks and bugs, and features that don't work, and it has a steep learning curve, but there are many guerilla producers around the world regularly using it to make everything from home video to indie films. Cinelerra can be installed from freshrpms...
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Mon April 7 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Hi, is anybody using kdenlive on fedora? And if you are how did you install it? From which repository or how did you compile it? I heard in tlts podcast [1] that it is the best video editor (interview with Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production). Please listen to this podcast if you are looking into video editing on linux because there is ton of information and comparison between all video editor for linux desktop.
The BLAG developer (Fedora derived distro) made similar claims a year and a half ago or so, and compiled it for BLAG, which meant you could install it in a similar versioned Fedora. I wasn't very impressed with it, and I do editing for a living. I tried to load every video file I have on my machine and it kept giving me errors saying the formats were incompatible. The layout seemed nice enough, and I finally got it to work on some clips, but, I don't see the excitement. It did the things it could do well, but it was lacking in many basic features. I think the BLAG developer reached the same conclusion because he seemed to cease supporting it after awhile - maybe it was a dependency issue, but, I never heard much more about it from that quarter, and I just checked his repo and didn't see it.
Cinelerra is the most capable of the editors I've tried, and I've tried them all, but, it has many quirks and bugs, and features that don't work, and it has a steep learning curve, but there are many guerilla producers around the world regularly using it to make everything from home video to indie films. Cinelerra can be installed from freshrpms...
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I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
Cheers, Valent.
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
If you're keen to try kdenlive, why don't you package it yourself? There are some very straightforward instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/5psknr see the table of contents at the bottom
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
If you're keen to try kdenlive, why don't you package it yourself? There are some very straightforward instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/5psknr see the table of contents at the bottom
I'm about to reinstall rawhide so I thought it this blows my box I don't care, but I got stopped at first try. bash kdenlive_builder.sh script needs xdialog and there is no xdialog package for fedora :(
Valent.
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
I admit I'm not too familiar with BLAG or Jeff Moe, and I didn't say anything as a fact just as my personal observation. I was on BLAG forums and I don't see almost anything happening there, and that they don't have dates on their posts doesn't help also :( I'll keep an eye on BLAG a bit more. Does anybody know why aren't they making their packages available for livna or RPM Fusion?
Cheers, Valent.
hi Valent, what is BLAG?
thanks
regards, Edwin Tan, Technical Support Manager
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On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
I admit I'm not too familiar with BLAG or Jeff Moe, and I didn't say anything as a fact just as my personal observation. I was on BLAG forums and I don't see almost anything happening there, and that they don't have dates on their posts doesn't help also :( I'll keep an eye on BLAG a bit more. Does anybody know why aren't they making their packages available for livna or RPM Fusion?
Cheers, Valent.
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hi Valent, so BLAG is another linux distribution....... don't fedora 8 have its programs available for the audio and video functions? just curious?
thanks
regards, Edwin Tan, Technical Support Manager
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On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
I admit I'm not too familiar with BLAG or Jeff Moe, and I didn't say anything as a fact just as my personal observation. I was on BLAG forums and I don't see almost anything happening there, and that they don't have dates on their posts doesn't help also :( I'll keep an eye on BLAG a bit more. Does anybody know why aren't they making their packages available for livna or RPM Fusion?
Cheers, Valent.
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turkovic@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Claude Jones cjones@levitjames.com wrote:
On Monday April 7 2008 3:10:15 pm Valent Turkovic wrote:
I would understand that kind of comment from somebody who doesn't use and video tools - as you suggested a BLAG maintener. But when I heat it from Dan Sawyer who is a Linux writer and does professional video production then that is completely different story. He did claim that you need to compile kdenlive from source in order to make new features work because in older releases you couldn't even separate audio from video. Also video framework MLT that kdenlive uses has gone through mayor changes in past few months. BLAG linux is over year old and stuck at fedora 7 release so I wouldn't give them a look if they don't plan to update to F9.
So I would love to try for myself and see how kdenlive looks and works. If a linux video professional says that kdenlive is great I guess he knows what he is taking about because he is putting his money where his mouth is and using it in production.
I have been to cinelerra workshop and love it! But I would also try other tools if somebody packages it for fedora.
You're making many claims. Do you know Jeff Moe? BLAG deliberately stays behind Fedora by a version for solid reasons. It tries to be a slighly 'late' Fedora that just works, and it features compiled versions of many A/V programs that aren't available elsewhere - that's changing now, but, they were in front of the curve in many areas for awhile.
I don't know Dan Sawyer so I can't speak to him, but there are many Linux video writers and many claiming to do 'professional video production' -- if he claims he's doing professional video on Kdenlive, I would like to see that, but until I do...
If you're keen to try kdenlive, why don't you package it yourself? There are some very straightforward instructions here: http://tinyurl.com/5psknr see the table of contents at the bottom
I have Mint Linux (Ubuntu) also installed so I tried there and I got Kdenlive to compile but it crashes on every command I tried. It imports files but it crashes if I try to do anything with them :( I don't understand how Dan Sawyer could claim that it is rock solid :( But still it could be my error in compiling some part and it still would be great to see kdenlive as a package in rpmfusion repositories... I'll drop them a note.
Cheers, Valent.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Edwin Tan edwintan@creativedesigner.biz wrote:
hi Valent, so BLAG is another linux distribution....... don't fedora 8 have its programs available for the audio and video functions? just curious?
thanks
Fedora and Red Hat have no video or audio aplications - they only produce some tools that make system configuration and management of system more easy. There are Open Source packages for video and audio but most of them rely on ffmpeg package that is not possible to ship with Fedora because of patent laws in US so they are located in user manager repositories and you can install them from there (like cinelerra and others).
Cheers, Valent.
On Tue April 8 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I have Mint Linux (Ubuntu) also installed so I tried there and I got Kdenlive to compile but it crashes on every command I tried. It imports files but it crashes if I try to do anything with them :( I don't understand how Dan Sawyer could claim that it is rock solid :( But still it could be my error in compiling some part and it still would be great to see kdenlive as a package in rpmfusion repositories... I'll drop them a note.
Glad to see you trying. I couldn't stand that podcast you posted and never got through all the stuff at the beginning to listen to the video discussion, so I don't know what Dan said there, but, here's a very recent article by him where he makes clear what he likes about Kdenlive and what it's limitations are:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9931
Apparently, he did manage to edit a long-form HDV dance project with it when he was stuck with no other tools to do the job and it got the job done. He doesn't speak to what he actually did in the edit, but given what else he says about the limitations of Kdenlive currently, it was probably a fairly basic project.
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 06:56 -0400, Claude Jones wrote:
On Tue April 8 2008, Valent Turkovic wrote:
I have Mint Linux (Ubuntu) also installed so I tried there and I got Kdenlive to compile but it crashes on every command I tried. It imports files but it crashes if I try to do anything with them :( I don't understand how Dan Sawyer could claim that it is rock solid :( But still it could be my error in compiling some part and it still would be great to see kdenlive as a package in rpmfusion repositories... I'll drop them a note.
Glad to see you trying. I couldn't stand that podcast you posted and never got through all the stuff at the beginning to listen to the video discussion, so I don't know what Dan said there, but, here's a very recent article by him where he makes clear what he likes about Kdenlive and what it's limitations are:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9931
Apparently, he did manage to edit a long-form HDV dance project with it when he was stuck with no other tools to do the job and it got the job done. He doesn't speak to what he actually did in the edit, but given what else he says about the limitations of Kdenlive currently, it was probably a fairly basic project.
Valent, just so you know ...Claude REALLY does professional video editing for a living. I've seen his work and can attest that he knows his stuff. Claude is a valuable resource on this list when it comes to audio/video editing. Whatever he uses, I would use. Then, if something went south, I'd know it was on my end, not the software. Like you, I can only hope and pray that A/V advances in a major fashion with Linux.
:) FYI, Ric