Hi Lugers,
Hi I just joined the mailing list a few minutes ago.. Hope that you can help me. Thanks.
I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I don't know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
First my sound is operating at about one tenth the volume of what it used to be. Then my desktop widgets (I'm using KDE) stopped working. I get the following error in a black box where the widgets used to be:
The object could not be created for the following reason:
Could not open the ggl_2 package required for the analog clock widget.
My initial thought was that a library named 'ggl_2' was missing... But I could not find any such library.
Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac OSX dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get the following error:
The program, name or command /home/conor/.kde/share/apps/kooldock/menu/04_internetexplorer6.desktop
cannot be found. Please correct the command or URL and try again.
This is happening for all programs and icons in the dock except the links to already open windows.
I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no one seems to know the answer!
Thanks
On Saturday 21 March 2009 23:05, Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I don't know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
What exactly did you do? If you use yum to install stuff, it should not break. If you manually installed something (why?), that is probably the reason that things got broken.
Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac OSX dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get the following error:
Kooldock is a very lame substitute for the real "Mac OSX dock" (tried both myself). Incidentally, that real "Mac OSX dock" is called cairo-dock, and is available for Fedora:
yum install cairo-dock
Maybe you need to have rpmfusion repo enabled, I am not sure... :-)
I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no one seems to know the answer!
You have probably broken your own system yourself. Basic rules: never install a rpm binary by hand unless you are sure it is packaged for F10 and you are sure you know exactly what you are doing. And if it is packaged for F10, use yum instead of manually installing. If you compiled something from source, be sure to install it in /usr/local so that it doesn't conflict with existing packages (of course, you can't be 100% sure even then).
If you tell us how did you manage to "install an upgrade that broke Yum", maybe someone can help to clean things up. Otherwise, you get to keep the pieces...
HTH :-) Marko
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
Then my desktop widgets (I'm using KDE) stopped working. I get the following error in a black box where the widgets used to be:
yum install kdebase-workspace-googlegadgets
Thanks that seems to have done the trick. I can't understand how they were working and then they stopped. I didn't uninstall anything...
-- Rex
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Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
Then my desktop widgets (I'm using KDE) stopped working. I get the following error in a black box where the widgets used to be:
yum install kdebase-workspace-googlegadgets
Thanks that seems to have done the trick. I can't understand how they were working and then they stopped. I didn't uninstall anything...
There was a window of time where this functionality was provided in the main kdebase-workspace pkg, and then it was split out. Sorry for the hassle.
-- Rex
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:14 AM, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@panet.co.yuwrote:
On Saturday 21 March 2009 23:05, Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I don't know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
What exactly did you do? If you use yum to install stuff, it should not break. If you manually installed something (why?), that is probably the reason that things got broken.
I try my best to only install stuff with yum. It's not possible all of the time though... What is the point of having a package manager if it does not manage your packages!?
Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac OSX
dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get
the
following error:
Kooldock is a very lame substitute for the real "Mac OSX dock" (tried both myself). Incidentally, that real "Mac OSX dock" is called cairo-dock, and is available for Fedora:
yum install cairo-dock
I actually used cairo-dock before and got rid of it. I think that kooldock is much better. I couldn't get cairo to do transparent backgrounds and kooldock is much more customisable.
Maybe you need to have rpmfusion repo enabled, I am not sure... :-)
How do I check? Is that a dis-advantage?
I would appreciate if anyone could figure out what the hell is going on
because it's really starting to annoy me! I have tried forums but no one seems to know the answer!
You have probably broken your own system yourself. Basic rules: never install a rpm binary by hand unless you are sure it is packaged for F10 and you are sure you know exactly what you are doing. And if it is packaged for F10, use yum instead of manually installing. If you compiled something from source, be sure to install it in /usr/local so that it doesn't conflict with existing packages (of course, you can't be 100% sure even then).
I don't do that anyway...
If you tell us how did you manage to "install an upgrade that broke Yum",
maybe someone can help to clean things up. Otherwise, you get to keep the pieces...
I really don't think that I have done anything to cause these things breaking... But then again I'm no Linux genius! For example I discovered that the sound problem that I have been having recently was caused by a kernal update. There's more info on that here: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2009-01/msg01187.html
As for the Yum problem, I don't know exactly what happened. Yum was working fine then I installed an update and from then on I could not use Yum, not even to install updates. I fixed it by running this:
rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* rpm --rebuilddb
Thanks
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Kooldock is a very lame substitute for the real "Mac OSX dock" (tried both myself). Incidentally, that real "Mac OSX dock" is called cairo-dock, and is available for Fedora:
yum install cairo-dock
That's also an imitation. The original is proprietary and will most likely never be available outside of OS X itself.
Kevin Kofler
On Saturday 21 March 2009 23:38:30 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Kooldock is a very lame substitute for the real "Mac OSX dock" (tried both myself). Incidentally, that real "Mac OSX dock" is called cairo-dock, and is available for Fedora:
yum install cairo-dock
That's also an imitation. The original is proprietary and will most likely never be available outside of OS X itself.
Kevin Kofler
They have even patented the OSX dock just in case! These evil proprietary **** (put some random swear word)!
Marko Vojinovic wrote, at 03/22/2009 09:14 AM +9:00:
On Saturday 21 March 2009 23:05, Conor Mac Aoidh wrote:
I have been having problems with my Fedora 10 installation recently. I don't know what it is but a hell of a lot of things are breaking. First I installed an upgrade that broke Yum, which I have fixed. Then I installed another update that seems to have broken a number of things....
What exactly did you do? If you use yum to install stuff, it should not break. If you manually installed something (why?), that is probably the reason that things got broken.
Also I recently installed the kooldock which operates similar to a Mac OSX dock. It was working but now when I click on one of the doc items I get the following error:
Kooldock is a very lame substitute for the real "Mac OSX dock" (tried both myself). Incidentally, that real "Mac OSX dock" is called cairo-dock, and is available for Fedora:
yum install cairo-dock
Just a note:
Red Hat Legal felt that these two packages (kooldock and cairo-dock) have the possibility of infringing Apple's software patent and removed these two packages from rawhide tree. That is, these two pacakges will no longer be available on Fedora 11.
Regards, Mamoru
On Sunday 22 March 2009 04:14, Mamoru Tasaka wrote:
Red Hat Legal felt that these two packages (kooldock and cairo-dock) have the possibility of infringing Apple's software patent and removed these two packages from rawhide tree. That is, these two pacakges will no longer be available on Fedora 11.
Well I guess that the maintainers of these packages will simply move them to rpmfusion, right? And that should make it a non-issue, afaiu?
Or shall we have to compile those packages from source ourselves?
What I don't understand is how can a thing like this happen? Fedora's policy is to include only "FOSS", "non-encumbered" etc. stuff? And I understood that GPL makes this irreversible --- once GPL'ed, always GPL'ed? So how can Apple force Fedora (or Red Hat) to remove some of its previously existing parts? I mean, if Apple somehow manages to patent the kernel, Red Hat would be forced to remove it? This sounds ridiculous, but this just did happen with cairo-dock, right?
What exactly did Apple patent here? The idea of having a panel on the screen? The artwork? The idea of a panel having nice animations? Isn't there an issue of that "prior art" thing? Apple did not invent panels in general, or did they? What would happen if KDE developers would decide to make the KDE panel look like the cairo-dock? Would that infringe Apple's patent? Who decides what "look like" means in this case?
Btw, Apple was the first to design and implement "the cube" effect of switching desktops. If they decide to patent that as well, KDE and Compiz and others would have to remove appropriate code and be required to not have such capabilities?
I am a bit of a noob for this legal stuff, would appreciate if someone explained it to me. :-)
Best, :-) Marko
O> GPL makes this irreversible --- once GPL'ed, always GPL'ed? So how can Apple
force Fedora (or Red Hat) to remove some of its previously existing parts? I
Apple is not a party AFAIK to the GPL on that code. If they were then they would indeed not be able to do anything about it. If you contribute or distribute GPL code the GPL ensures you don't have the ability to un-GPL it but it can't remove third party claims.
mean, if Apple somehow manages to patent the kernel, Red Hat would be forced to remove it?
The GPL is specifically designed to fail safe. So yes if some GPL code was found to violate a software patent in an unfixable way (and software patents were found to be valid in law which is looking more and more dubious even in the USA) then the code would probably cease to be available to US citizens or within the USA.
It's quite intentionally a "live free or die" licence. The alternative (where a company could use patents to un-free the code) would create horrible economic incentives to attack free software with bogus lawsuits.
Alan