I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution?
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 00:55:17 +0100, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution?
Probably. Do you Windows set to automatically sync time with a site that provides the current time? Are Windows and Linux both set to use the same timezone?
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Bob
On 08/31/2009 07:55 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution?
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 00:55 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution?
Maybe one or other of them doesn't understand Daylight Savings (you don't say in which direction the shift occurs).
poc
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
poc
Does the setting show up when you do this as root?
Bob
On 08/31/2009 08:52 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
su - system-config-time
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 21:08 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
Does the setting show up when you do this as root?
(Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guidelines).
Settings dialogues which require root privileges ask for the password. In the case of Date and Time, this happens if you make a change to the system time. There is no box for "Clock uses UTC".
I haven't run the KDE session as root because I dohbt it will make a difference, and because running a dekstop as root is a bad idea in general.
poc
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
su - system-config-time
Yes, that works (it's equivalent to running the Gnome widget). Looks like a gap in KDE funcionality.
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
su - system-config-time
Yes, that works (it's equivalent to running the Gnome widget). Looks like a gap in KDE funcionality.
Yes, exactly..... Seems like bugzilla time to me....
The UTC setting was once in /etc/sysconfig/clock ... but I think that is no longer the case. Maybe the KDE guys couldn't find it either. :-)
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 09:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
[...]
su - system-config-time
Yes, that works (it's equivalent to running the Gnome widget). Looks like a gap in KDE funcionality.
Yes, exactly..... Seems like bugzilla time to me....
Done. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=205861
poc
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
You need to be careful about using local time.
* Linux on local time will adjust for DST if it is running at the time of the change, but will not adjust if booted after the change. * Windows will account for the change if running, but will also attempt to adjust if booted after the change. If the adjustment was already made by Linux, this will force your clock to be off by an hour. * Linux on UTC always handles DST correctly. * Windows can be set to not adjust, but must be set user by user. * There is a registry setting for Windows to make it use UTC correctly. I don't have it handy, but it is on the Web and in the archives for this list. It is accompanied by warnings that some programs could misbehave, but I haven't experienced any.
My strategy (before I tried the Windows UTC setting) was to use UTC for the hardware clock and Linux, set Windows to use the GMT timezone, and turn off all DST adjustments in Windows. Now I use UTC in both.
Bob
On 08/31/2009 07:55 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
I'm running a dual boot Windows/Fedora system on my Thinkpad T43. Whenever I run Windows, I find my time is 1 hour out when I return to Linux. Is this my punishment for consorting with the devil, or is there a simple solution?
Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
This has been posted before...
There is a registry tweak for for XP so that you can have the hardware clock set to UTC, and still have the time correctly displayed for the time zone you have set. It is supposed to bother some programs, but I have not run into any yet. (Then again, I don't run XP that often.)
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation] "RealTimeIsUniversal"=dword:00000001
Mikkel
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:32:08 -0500, "Mikkel L. Ellertson" mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
There is a registry tweak for for XP so that you can have the hardware clock set to UTC, and still have the time correctly displayed for the time zone you have set. It is supposed to bother some programs, but I have not run into any yet. (Then again, I don't run XP that often.)
There is a guy who tracks the status of this and according to his latest status report it is supposed to work correctly in Windows Vista SP2 and Windows 7. See: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 08:39 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 08:32:08 -0500, "Mikkel L. Ellertson" mikkel@infinity-ltd.com wrote:
There is a registry tweak for for XP so that you can have the hardware clock set to UTC, and still have the time correctly displayed for the time zone you have set. It is supposed to bother some programs, but I have not run into any yet. (Then again, I don't run XP that often.)
There is a guy who tracks the status of this and according to his latest status report it is supposed to work correctly in Windows Vista SP2 and Windows 7. See: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/mswish/ut-rtc.html
According to that page,
"Someone from Microsoft's Core Operating Systems Division hints in an email to me that both Vista SP2 and Windows 7 will fix the problems in the RealTimeIsUniversal=1 support that have made running the CMOS clock in UTC so far not practical with Windows (i.e., the time was wrong after resuming a suspended/hibernating Windows)"
Since I dual-boot WinXP on my netbook, I'm wondering if anyone has seen this misbehaviour.
poc
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:46 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
Which is not a lot of use if you don't happen to notice it during the install. It should be available at any time afterwards, as it is with Gnome.
poc
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 23:13:22 Ed Greshko wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
On this F11 box/KDE4.3 in the Kickoff menu:
Applications > Administration > Date & Time and the time zone tab. Here you will find the UTC check box
HTH
Colin
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
Of course....if you read the thread you'd see that I'd already provided a solution... :-)
I'm not certain who you are directing the "get on with the rest of your life" comment....but don't you think suggesting that the solution lies within the installation dialog just a tag bit of overkill?
As for the UTC=true...I have my doubts about that. While I didn't do any extensive research, I found that checking the UTC box in the Gnome clock utility did *not* alter that file to include that phrase...at least not with my time zone....but maybe that is due to my time zone not having DST.
The bottom line is that the obvious utility which I looked at, as other people did too, did not have a check box for that setting and a bugzilla has been written.
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 23:23 +0100, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 23:13:22 Ed Greshko wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
On this F11 box/KDE4.3 in the Kickoff menu:
Applications > Administration > Date & Time and the time zone tab. Here you will find the UTC check box
That's just system-config-date (also called system-config-time), which as I already pointed out, is available from the Shell and is the same as the Gnome widget. All of which is beside the point, the point being that KDE has a System Settings option for Date and Time, and that's where the user might reasonably expect to be able to set this stuff. Having to go to a completely different widget borrowed from a different desktop environment is a bug and has been reported as such.
poc
On Thursday 03 September 2009 00:00:06 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 23:23 +0100, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
On Wednesday 02 September 2009 23:13:22 Ed Greshko wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
On this F11 box/KDE4.3 in the Kickoff menu:
Applications > Administration > Date & Time and the time zone tab. Here you will find the UTC check box
That's just system-config-date (also called system-config-time), which as I already pointed out, is available from the Shell and is the same as the Gnome widget. All of which is beside the point, the point being that KDE has a System Settings option for Date and Time, and that's where the user might reasonably expect to be able to set this stuff. Having to go to a completely different widget borrowed from a different desktop environment is a bug and has been reported as such.
Well, I am not getting into an argument, the op said:
"Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE?" he did not ask for a KDE specific app.
The thread is a bit messed up here (email problems) and I missed your earlier comment on this.
Colin
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
Of course....if you read the thread you'd see that I'd already provided a solution... :-)
Heck - if only I had time for that! Since changing jobs, I only get a chance to read the odd email and I admittedly didn't check the whole history on this.
I'm not certain who you are directing the "get on with the rest of your life" comment....but don't you think suggesting that the solution lies within the installation dialog just a tag bit of overkill?
Err, not directed at anyone in particular and no offence intended!
I didn't see who suggested you could only do it in the installation dialog, but they are wrong and that is definitely overkill.
As for the UTC=true...I have my doubts about that. While I didn't do any extensive research, I found that checking the UTC box in the Gnome clock utility did *not* alter that file to include that phrase...at least not with my time zone....but maybe that is due to my time zone not having DST.
I don't have UTC=* it set on my Fedora laptop, but I see it all the time at Work on RHEL machines. Frequently Tech's update the timezone by linking a new one from /etc/localtime, but don't update /etc/sysconfig/clock so their changes get overwritten on the next update of tzdata - I'm very familiar with fixing that and I'm sure that setting the correct value of TIMEZONE and UTC in this file as well as copying the right tzdata file to /etc/localtime is enough to convince a server of what timezone it resides in.
But then I live in the right timezone, so when I'm not using DST, I am in UTC ;o)
The bottom line is that the obvious utility which I looked at, as other people did too, did not have a check box for that setting and a bugzilla has been written.
Fair enough - as mentioned, I didn't have time to read the whole thread!
Have a good evening,
Sam
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 00:18 +0100, Colin J Thomson - G6AVK wrote:
Well, I am not getting into an argument, the op said:
"Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE?" he did not ask for a KDE specific app.
I'm not looking for an argument either, but I am the OP. When I ask how to accomplish something under KDE, naturally I mean using KDE tools. Any other interpretation would be meaningless, given that I can also run Gnome or console apps from KDE.
poc
Ed Greshko wrote:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
He couldn't find it, I told him where it was. He may make whatever use of the information seems appropriate. Now he knows where to find it. I don't care if he runs his clock in metric hexadecimal mode.
Ed Greshko wrote:
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the Time Zone tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That should fix things.
Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
Of course....if you read the thread you'd see that I'd already provided a solution... :-)
I'm not certain who you are directing the "get on with the rest of your life" comment....but don't you think suggesting that the solution lies within the installation dialog just a tag bit of overkill?
He said he couldn't find the check box mentioned by a previous poster, I told him where it was. Why is that overkill? Should I leave him wasting his time looking in KDE stuff?
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that little > box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really > understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the > System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the > Time Zone > tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, > go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need be. That > should fix things. > Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
Of course....if you read the thread you'd see that I'd already provided a solution... :-)
Heck - if only I had time for that! Since changing jobs, I only get a chance to read the odd email and I admittedly didn't check the whole history on this.
That's obvious.
I'm not certain who you are directing the "get on with the rest of your life" comment....but don't you think suggesting that the solution lies within the installation dialog just a tag bit of overkill?
Err, not directed at anyone in particular and no offence intended!
I didn't see who suggested you could only do it in the installation dialog, but they are wrong and that is definitely overkill.
No one ever said any such thing, he said he couldn't find the "system clock uses UTC" check box mentioned by Bob Cochran. I told him it was in the install process. Neither Bob nor I ever said that was the only place to set it.
You quoted this dialog, and then said we were wrong without ever reading what we said.
As for the UTC=true...I have my doubts about that. While I didn't do any extensive research, I found that checking the UTC box in the Gnome clock utility did *not* alter that file to include that phrase...at least not with my time zone....but maybe that is due to my time zone not having DST.
I don't have UTC=* it set on my Fedora laptop, but I see it all the time at Work on RHEL machines. Frequently Tech's update the timezone by linking a new one from /etc/localtime, but don't update /etc/sysconfig/clock so their changes get overwritten on the next update of tzdata - I'm very familiar with fixing that and I'm sure that setting the correct value of TIMEZONE and UTC in this file as well as copying the right tzdata file to /etc/localtime is enough to convince a server of what timezone it resides in.
But then I live in the right timezone, so when I'm not using DST, I am in UTC ;o)
The bottom line is that the obvious utility which I looked at, as other people did too, did not have a check box for that setting and a bugzilla has been written.
Fair enough - as mentioned, I didn't have time to read the whole thread!
Have a good evening,
Sam
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Ed Greshko wrote:
Sharpe, Sam J wrote:
2009/9/2 Ed Greshko Ed.Greshko@greshko.com:
Bill Davidsen wrote:
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 20:36 -0400, Robert L Cochran wrote:
> So, when you installed Fedora, did you carefully uncheck that > little > box that says "System Clock uses UTC"? Windows does not really > understand UTC or handle it very well. The solution is to go to the > System --> Administration --> Date and Time application, click the > Time Zone > tab, uncheck the Clock Uses UTC box, click OK, reboot the machine, > go into your BIOS and set the hardware clock correctly if need > be. That > should fix things. > Anyone know how to accomplish this under KDE? The "Clock uses UTC" box doesn't seem to exist in the KDE universe (under System Settings->Date and Time.)
The little box is in the install dialog.
So, is your solution that a reinstall should be done to fix this problem? :-)
Setting "System Clock uses UTC" converts to this in /etc/sysconfig/clock:
UTC=true
So the answer is edit /etc/sysconfig/clock as root, change that to false, reboot and get on with the rest of your life.
Of course....if you read the thread you'd see that I'd already provided a solution... :-) I'm not certain who you are directing the "get on with the rest of your life" comment....but don't you think suggesting that the solution lies within the installation dialog just a tag bit of overkill?
He said he couldn't find the check box mentioned by a previous poster, I told him where it was. Why is that overkill? Should I leave him wasting his time looking in KDE stuff?
Wow...this is an ancient thread.....
AFAIK.....the question parsed out to....
I have a running/installed system and am using KDE as my desktop....how do I (where do I) find the "Clock uses UTC" check box.
The answer received was.....
The little box is in the install dialog.
I then commented (with the requisite :-) ) that surely a reinstall is not being suggested....
Now, if you were truly suggesting that the the box doesn't exist in the KDE world and that it should have been checked at install time...and that one needs to go back to install again....then well...yeah...overkill....
But, you weren't doing such a thing....but neither were you being clear. Frankly, you could have said....that box doesn't exist in the KDE world at the moment and you need to do X to achieve the results you want....
But, like I said....this thread is ancient....more than one solution was found....and a bugzilla was filed to ask for KDE to have the little box....so it seems quite pointless...
And that is that.....
Ed Greshko wrote:
Wow...this is an ancient thread.....
AFAIK.....the question parsed out to....
I have a running/installed system and am using KDE as my desktop....how do I (where do I) find the "Clock uses UTC" check box.
The answer received was.....
The little box is in the install dialog.
I then commented (with the requisite :-) ) that surely a reinstall is not being suggested....
system-config-time, timezone tab
-- Rex
On Sat, 2009-09-12 at 09:35 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
I then commented (with the requisite :-) ) that surely a reinstall
is
not being suggested....
system-config-time, timezone tab
Flogging a dead horse Rex. This solution has been mentioned before. I am the OP and I know about it. It's not an answer to the question, which is "how do I do this in KDE?". The answer to that question is "you can't", which is why I reported it to BZ.
Let's just allow this exhausted thread to die a natural death.
poc
On Saturday 12 September 2009, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 08:41 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
I don't care if he runs his clock in metric hexadecimal mode.
I can just see it now: Is teatime 2B, or not 2B? ;-)
What divisor do you use to reduce that to modulo 24?
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