On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:41 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 10:43 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
Evolution takes a while to save its state on termination, and
doesn't
seem to save it very often in normal use. The result is that when
the
system is halted and then restarted, a lot of messages that have
been
read show up as unread on restarting. Is there any way to cure
this,
other than manually halting evolution before halting the system?
Does Thunderbird have similar problems? How hard is it to switch to Thunderbird (anyway)? Any problems importing folders?
Apologies if this isn't the right list.
Thanks - jon
I was reading about this issue on the Evolution mail list. Evolution changes some information, only when closing and this is causing problems. This may be related to the issue you are having.
On the list it was mentioned that Thunderbird changes the message state as the message is read. I prefer Thunderbird and wouldn't use Evolution except to work with Exchange server.
-- Due to the move to M$ Exchange Server, anything that is a priority, please phone. Robin Laing
Let me get this straight. You want to be able to logoff with evolution running and when you login again you want all the unread e-mail to still be unread and I assume that you want deleted messages to have disappeared,
Well it is clear this is not how evolution works and I for one don't want it work that way. I find Evolution in F7 better than it has ever been. Its spam removal is first rate where before it was poor. Anyone who doesn't like evolution should stop using it. --
What do you want? All your unread mail to be marked as read? Or read mail to be marked as unread? Or deleted mail to be marked as unread? Or did you just make a mistake in the wording of the above reply?
I want the state of my mail to be current with what I have done. If I read a message, I want it's state changed as I read it. If I delete a message, I want it gone from my inbox. At least in Thunderbird, it is moved out of my inbox to "Trash", instantly.
I found out that Evolution doesn't move messages when I "move" them. It copies them and then marks the messages for deletion. I found this out when I got a message from my admin people to clean out my inbox. I had to "Expunge" my inbox of thousands of messages.
But I think the issue of the OP is the state of the messages left on the exchange server. If he reads a message in Evolution, it should be marked as read at that point, not at some later time. Same with deleted messages. What the complaint is and from what I read, is Evolution doesn't change this state data until closing Evolution, and logging out.
To the OP, go to the evolution mail list and search the archives on this. http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
We must be having a communication problem. It is true that when a message id deleted or moved from a folder it is not actually removed from the folder it just disappears from the folder's view and shows up in the folder it is going to. In fact if you disable the option hide deleted messages you can see it in both folders (trash in the case of deletion). To me this is a good thing since I do not have the deleted messages hidden and can easily look at a deleted message if I decide later i may have missed something it said. The messages are kept in that form until evolution is terminated. The same way with read and unread messages. When evolution is exited and then restarted messages are expunged. So that seems OK with me so I don't see what the complaint is . Maybe you can clarify your objection to how it works. Is seems possible you are taking about IMAP processing with the exchange server where the messages remain on the server. If so I can see that the evolution approach might be a problem. Is that it?
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Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Tue, 2007-06-26 at 10:41 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2007-06-25 at 10:43 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
--
What do you want? All your unread mail to be marked as read? Or read mail to be marked as unread? Or deleted mail to be marked as unread? Or did you just make a mistake in the wording of the above reply?
I want the state of my mail to be current with what I have done. If I read a message, I want it's state changed as I read it. If I delete a message, I want it gone from my inbox. At least in Thunderbird, it is moved out of my inbox to "Trash", instantly.
I found out that Evolution doesn't move messages when I "move" them. It copies them and then marks the messages for deletion. I found this out when I got a message from my admin people to clean out my inbox. I had to "Expunge" my inbox of thousands of messages.
But I think the issue of the OP is the state of the messages left on the exchange server. If he reads a message in Evolution, it should be marked as read at that point, not at some later time. Same with deleted messages. What the complaint is and from what I read, is Evolution doesn't change this state data until closing Evolution, and logging out.
To the OP, go to the evolution mail list and search the archives on this. http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list
We must be having a communication problem. It is true that when a message id deleted or moved from a folder it is not actually removed from the folder it just disappears from the folder's view and shows up in the folder it is going to. In fact if you disable the option hide deleted messages you can see it in both folders (trash in the case of deletion). To me this is a good thing since I do not have the deleted messages hidden and can easily look at a deleted message if I decide later i may have missed something it said. The messages are kept in that form until evolution is terminated. The same way with read and unread messages. When evolution is exited and then restarted messages are expunged. So that seems OK with me so I don't see what the complaint is . Maybe you can clarify your objection to how it works. Is seems possible you are taking about IMAP processing with the exchange server where the messages remain on the server. If so I can see that the evolution approach might be a problem. Is that it?
--
No IMAP in my case. Not allowed with the IT staff. Only OWA using the connector. It may have been fixed in the newer versions of Evolution that what was on FC4 but I have gotten into the routine of expunging my mail before closing Evolution after I had a stuffed inbox with moved (deleted) messages. At least messages marked for deletion.
I will have to test again to see if this is working correctly in FC6.
But the issue is when Evolution does it's tasks. They should be done immediately, not when Evolution closes. This brings up the question of how it handles crashes, just as mine did this morning?
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 09:23 -0600, Robin Laing wrote:
But the issue is when Evolution does it's tasks. They should be done immediately, not when Evolution closes. This brings up the question of how it handles crashes, just as mine did this morning?
Badly...
I can see some reason for not doing things instantly, for the sake of efficiency. But leaving everything until the last moment has it's problems, as well. And won't work for those who leave an application running nearly permanently.
I don't think it does that, though. I think it saves changes periodically. I know that when it's crashed on me, messages that I've just read come back as being unread (painful), messages that I've read a while ago are marked as being read (as they should be).
Robin Laing wrote:
you can clarify your objection to how it works. Is seems possible you are taking about IMAP processing with the exchange server where the messages remain on the server. If so I can see that the evolution approach might be a problem. Is that it?
No IMAP in my case. Not allowed with the IT staff. Only OWA using the connector. It may have been fixed in the newer versions of Evolution that what was on FC4 but I have gotten into the routine of expunging my mail before closing Evolution after I had a stuffed inbox with moved (deleted) messages. At least messages marked for deletion.
I will have to test again to see if this is working correctly in FC6.
But the issue is when Evolution does it's tasks. They should be done immediately, not when Evolution closes. This brings up the question of how it handles crashes, just as mine did this morning?
I think the problem is that the owa interface is very inefficient compared to one like IMAP that was intended as a client API, so the operations are batched. Be sure your company management knows that you are wasting time getting your mail. Maybe they'll give you a laptop with Outlook if they don't want to turn on IMAP.
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 11:50 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
Robin Laing wrote:
you can clarify your objection to how it works. Is seems possible you are taking about IMAP processing with the exchange server where the messages remain on the server. If so I can see that the evolution approach might be a problem. Is that it?
No IMAP in my case. Not allowed with the IT staff. Only OWA using the connector. It may have been fixed in the newer versions of Evolution that what was on FC4 but I have gotten into the routine of expunging my mail before closing Evolution after I had a stuffed inbox with moved (deleted) messages. At least messages marked for deletion.
I will have to test again to see if this is working correctly in FC6.
But the issue is when Evolution does it's tasks. They should be done immediately, not when Evolution closes. This brings up the question of how it handles crashes, just as mine did this morning?
I think the problem is that the owa interface is very inefficient compared to one like IMAP that was intended as a client API, so the operations are batched. Be sure your company management knows that you are wasting time getting your mail. Maybe they'll give you a laptop with Outlook if they don't want to turn on IMAP.
I'm trying to get our Exchange jockeys to look at Brutus (http://www.omesc.com/). Brutus is a platform-independent wrapper for MAPI (the "real" exchange interface). Fedora 7 includes evolution-brutus to connect Evo via a Brutus server.
Anyone here have any experience to report?
Thanks.