I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
Brgds PAR
On Thursday 23 August 2007 18:12, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
You can get it from here: http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=449
I believe there are respins available for F7, which should have most updates included, but don't know the URL for those.
Nigel.
Nigel Henry wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2007 18:12, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
You can get it from here: http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=449
I believe there are respins available for F7, which should have most updates included, but don't know the URL for those.
Nigel.
I downloaded BitTorrent (rpm) for direct install, but it failed due to dependencies. It needed some newer Python elements than I have at present. But no worries, I finally found a FC 7 iso DVD and it is downloading now as we speak. It is huge, so it will take a while.
Brgds PAR
PerAntonRønning wrote:
Nigel Henry wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2007 18:12, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?)
- is
that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
You can get it from here: http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=449
I believe there are respins available for F7, which should have most updates included, but don't know the URL for those.
Nigel.
I downloaded BitTorrent (rpm) for direct install, but it failed due to dependencies. It needed some newer Python elements than I have at present. But no worries, I finally found a FC 7 iso DVD and it is downloading now as we speak. It is huge, so it will take a while.
Brgds PAR
Hi PAR, I think with my DSL "high speed?" Internet it took almost 48 hours to get the F7 DVD. I have wanted to dabble in 64 bit F7 but the thought of d/l that has stopped me. I may just buy it or have a friend Rod get it with his 6 Gb/sec Internet. The cable Internet here in Las Cruces NM is very fast.
If it took you 2 full days to d/l the ISO DVD on DSL either your setup has a problem or the mirror you used is very slow.. It took me just a few hours (2-3 hours) to download it on SBC DSL (3M down/768 up) in Indiana.
Mike Harpe
Michael Harpe wrote:
If it took you 2 full days to d/l the ISO DVD on DSL either your setup has a problem or the mirror you used is very slow.. It took me just a few hours (2-3 hours) to download it on SBC DSL (3M down/768 up) in Indiana.
Mike Harpe
Both I think. I just started d/l i86-64 version and it is staggering along at 27 KBits/second which is about right for my DSL system. It is around 250KB/second and faster one way or the other but forget which. I am too far from the telephone office for the faster DSL. I will have the iso file in 32 hours it says :-[
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Both I think. I just started d/l i86-64 version and it is staggering along at 27 KBits/second which is about right for my DSL system. It is around 250KB/second and faster one way or the other but forget which. I am too far from the telephone office for the faster DSL. I will have the iso file in 32 hours it says :-[
You should cancel the download and download the .torrent file instead, and use that with bittorrent. From a console (# means do it as root, $ as normal user)
# yum install bittorrent
$ wget http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent $ bittorrent-curses Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent
Unless your ISP is detecting and trashing bittorrent traffic, after some time this should max out your downstream.
-Andy
Andy Green wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Both I think. I just started d/l i86-64 version and it is staggering along at 27 KBits/second which is about right for my DSL system. It is around 250KB/second and faster one way or the other but forget which. I am too far from the telephone office for the faster DSL. I will have the iso file in 32 hours it says :-[
You should cancel the download and download the .torrent file instead, and use that with bittorrent. From a console (# means do it as root, $ as normal user)
# yum install bittorrent
$ wget http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent $ bittorrent-curses Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent
Unless your ISP is detecting and trashing bittorrent traffic, after some time this should max out your downstream.
-Andy
I think the current d/l is about as fast as it goes. It has been normal to wait days for a DVD size thing.
Hope for no power outage :-)
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
I think the current d/l is about as fast as it goes. It has been normal to wait days for a DVD size thing.
Hope for no power outage :-)
I didn't realize it was 256kbps ADSL. If you're downloading at 27K*Bytes* a second then you're right, that will be about as fast as it can go.
Few years ago 256kbps would have seemed insanely fast... now we're on 20Mbps cable and it's "just normal"...
-Andy
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 19:18 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
I didn't realize it was 256kbps ADSL. If you're downloading at 27K*Bytes* a second then you're right, that will be about as fast as it can go.
Few years ago 256kbps would have seemed insanely fast... now we're on 20Mbps cable and it's "just normal"...
Dude, outside of the developed (read rich) world, 256kbps is *still* insanely fast. DSL has just finally made it here to Beirut and there are still very low (1-4GB) monthly caps on 256kbps DSL traffic.
Jonathan
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 12:06 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
I think the current d/l is about as fast as it goes. It has been
normal to wait days for a DVD size thing.
Hope for no power outage :-)
The possibility of interrupted download is why I always use wget for large files. It automatically retries stalled downloads, and if you have to restart completely (as in the case of a power outage) then "wget -c" will continue from where it left off.
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 18:52 +0100, Andy Green wrote:
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Both I think. I just started d/l i86-64 version and it is staggering along at 27 KBits/second which is about right for my DSL system. It is around 250KB/second and faster one way or the other but forget which. I am too far from the telephone office for the faster DSL. I will have the iso file in 32 hours it says :-[
You should cancel the download and download the .torrent file instead, and use that with bittorrent. From a console (# means do it as root, $ as normal user)
# yum install bittorrent
$ wget http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent $ bittorrent-curses Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent
Unless your ISP is detecting and trashing bittorrent traffic, after some time this should max out your downstream.
-Andy
I did a network install and that worked like a charm. It only downloads what you want installed.
One recommendation: use FTP rather than HTTP. I think all the requests coming in quickly to the mirror site were interpreted by their firewall as some kind of DOS attack, so part way into the install my access to the mirror would be blocked. I tried several mirrors. It worked the first time when I used FTP access to the mirror.
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Andy Green wrote:
You should cancel the download and download the .torrent file instead, and use that with bittorrent. From a console (# means do it as root, $ as normal user)
# yum install bittorrent
$ wget http://torrent.fedoraproject.org/torrents/Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent $ bittorrent-curses Fedora-7-x86_64.torrent
Thanks, I did this, and it worked like a charm, torrent is now installed, no dependency problems.
PAR
On Thursday 23 August 2007 18:51, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Nigel Henry wrote:
On Thursday 23 August 2007 18:12, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
You can get it from here: http://iso.linuxquestions.org/version.php?version=449
I believe there are respins available for F7, which should have most updates included, but don't know the URL for those.
Nigel.
I downloaded BitTorrent (rpm) for direct install, but it failed due to dependencies. It needed some newer Python elements than I have at present. But no worries, I finally found a FC 7 iso DVD and it is downloading now as we speak. It is huge, so it will take a while.
Brgds PAR
Just as a suggestion, and has you have some time to go in downloading it (not as bad as my 10 days on dialup though), if you have some spare harddrive space, I'd install F7 separate to your current working system. I have seen quite a lot of problems on the list from folks, either upgrading, or overwriting a current working version of their distro. This way you can make sure everything works as it did before, graphics card, ethernet, wireless, etc. There can be nothing worse than doing an upgrade/fresh install, and it won't boot, or you end up with a text login because there is a problem between the graphics card, and the new distro version.
I always do it this way with Fedora. I have a bunch of distros on my 2 machines, and overwrite one of the earlier ones, which I'm willing to let go of (not that I like trashing any of my Fedora versions). My Debian installs have always upgraded ok (so far), but have just had a problem with upgrading Kubuntu Breezy to Dapper (also a debian based distro, and only upgrading to the next release, like going from FC6 to F7). 1st problem after the upgrade was the screen resolution was screwed up. I mess with that, and reboot, and end up in text mode. Some time later, and a bit of editing with nano, and now it boots up ok, and Xstarts ok. Login to KDE, and the fonts are all super dooper large (Déjavu ones) . Mess about with the fonts, and then try some apps. Xawtv starts, but no video, or sound. It appears the options I needed to set for bttv, and tda9887, are now being called from a different file, and they arn't there. A bit of thinking, and putting the options in an alternative file, and Xawtv is working again. There were 2, or 3 other things that needed some work. I should have written all these fixes down, but the objective was to get the system up and running as it had been before. I keep telling myself to write it down, and immediately forget to do so.
I only say the above stuff, is because I don't want to see you either upgrading, or overwriting your current working system, and finding that, for some reason or other F7 has a problem, and to get up and running again you end up with a bit less hair.
All the best with your F7 install.
Nigel.
PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
Brgds PAR
PAR what you want is the Re-SPIN of F7 if it exists yet. It is F7 with all the updates. I do not know about Bit-torrent but it sounds fishy to me :-)
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:34 -0600, Karl Larsen wrote:
PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7? Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Brgds PAR
Brgds PAR
PAR what you want is the Re-SPIN of F7 if it exists yet. It is F7
with all the updates. I do not know about Bit-torrent but it sounds fishy to me :-)
Bit-torrent is simply a way for many users to both retrieve a file and add to the sources for distribution. If you have Fedora already running, you can just go to the add software pull down under applications, and install bittorrent. It runs in the background, will restart automatically and resync with however much has already been downloaded. If you get tired of waiting for it, you can stop and restart it with little penalty, so it is "all good".
I used it to retrive F7 (NOTE F7, not FC7 since the core and extras are now all bundled together.)
Regards, Les H
On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 18:12 +0200, PerAntonRønning wrote:
Karl Larsen wrote:
I had trouble getting to F7. I really didn't want to but it seemed the timing was right for it. After over 200 updates F7 is good working Linux. The first thing a new user needs to do is remove Totem and get the VLC media player. It has worked just fine through all the 200 upgrades and plays anything from mp3 to .wav to DVD movies. It does it all. I get things from friends with Windows. VLC never fails to play them.
There is still some minor things broken but they might be due to MY hardware which is old. New computer is scheduled to be delivered today by UPS but they deliver very late, like 10:30 PM local. Then I will see if the new motherboard and SATA hard drives fix the problems.
A friend just loaded F7 again after getting the 200 updates and he says it is nothing like it was 3 months ago.
Sounds good. But where is it? I have been looking around for a FC 7 iso DVD, but all sites stop at /6 and then they list /development - is this fc7?
It is called "Fedora 7" not "Fedora Core 7". There's tons of mirrors out there...a google search for "Fedora +7 +iso" should present a bunch. Here's one:
http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/7/Fedora/i386/iso/
So, start looking at the "fedora/releases" directory tree of most of the mirrors.
Is the iso DVD hidden within the .bittorrent, which I am absolutely new to? I've never used bittorrent, I have never needed to. As I understand I have to download a torrent client, as a search tool(?) - is that up the same alley as FTP? Pardon my ignorance, but i have lots to do and I must operate on a need to know basis. How do I extract the contents of a torrent file, is that something the torrent client program takes care of?
Bittorrent (a.k.a. "bt") uses torrent files which tell bt how to find shares of the file. BT then goes out and grabs pieces of the file(s) from the various servers in parallel and reassembles those pieces into the right order to make up the desired image. It does this so that no single download site gets "hammered" and has to supply the entire file.
Contrast this to an FTP or HTTP download--the remote machine has to supply the entire file to you. If thousands of people want the file (e.g. a new release), then the servers get overloaded and you get that wonderful "too many users" message (FTP) or timeout connecting to server (HTTP). BT "shares the pain" among all the servers and can keep download speeds for you higher as it's pulling from multiple sources, not just one.
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On Thu, 2007-08-23 at 10:26 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
Bittorrent (a.k.a. "bt") uses torrent files which tell bt how to find shares of the file. BT then goes out and grabs pieces of the file(s) from the various servers in parallel and reassembles those pieces into the right order to make up the desired image. It does this so that no single download site gets "hammered" and has to supply the entire file.
Though, it's usually the case that those "servers" are other people's PCs, rather than dedicated servers that are always running, have the whole file to share, and have good speed and bandwidth. Because you're getting files from other users, you have to contend with things like: There not being users sharing that file, or enough of them, now or later on. Users who can only supply a slow feed...
I have had mixed experiences with BitTorrent. Usually I find it to be very bursty and not really living up to the speed claims. When I downloaded F7 I tried it and ended up just doing a classic HTTP download.
Mike Harpe