On Sun, 2006-01-22 at 22:34 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Hi
Nobody stopped anyone from doing the work involved. In fact it was already done before. http://fedora.isphuset.no/
We ARE well aware of that. As stated above, I have the cd's already burnt. But when asking a question and disclosing that the question involves the unofficial 4.2 release, then the question was summarily ignored, as being off topic I guess. If you are not willing to even discuss something someone has done in the interests of widening the usage, then the whole thing is moot, and we are wasting our collective time with this endeavor called a foundation.
You should have welcomed that effort with open arms, and actively pointed folks having trouble with _your_ release to that one as a possible solution to the install debacle 4 was.
I repeatedly wrote the the people who did it with no responses. We needed to work on several details before adopting such efforts in a formal way.
See my previous private response on this one.
As mentioned I only recieved one mail from you, and it was rather unclear about your intentions. Seeing as it looked a lot like the other "Thanks" and "you should do this" mail I dismissed it as that. If there were more I cannot see that I have received any.
I'm of the opinion that fedora folks themselves should have done the respin as you call it, within 3-4 days time when it became obvious that 4 was a wholesale x crasher that trashed the disks as it went away. The take it or leave it attitude has the distinct odor of hydrogen sulfide about it.
I myself tried to contact redhat people on a few occations, but never got any responses either. I guessed redhat is a big organization and had no time for little me.
What really irritated me was that the installer problems never saw any updates in FC4. What I mean is that anaconda never got fixed. I got several mail telling me to "atleast fix the anaconda problems" but due to legalese I did not dare to deviate from the standard FC4/FC4-updates packages.
The two most prominent problems that also exist in FC4.2: 1. Swap label garbage 2. Installer cd won't boot unless you feed it garbage.
Inquires about whether the kernel sitting in updates-testing for weeks will get released within the next few week or so went unanswered. Resulting in a brand new kernel just a few days after FC4.2 release. (2.6.13* -> 2.6.14* jump)
If you mean Red Hat needs to do all the work then that does not make it a community effort. Other folks contributing does. Luckily someone just did that and if see the fedora-devel list discussion you could have seen me, Warren etc welcoming that effort wholeheartedly. Unfortunately subsequent communication has been stalled due to non responses. We cannot collaborate more since this require changes in the trademark guidelines and other technical details to be worked out. We are looking for more community input on different use cases that help us modify the guidelines to support such needs. If you provide that, do email gdk AT fedoraproject.org
Fixing anaconda sounds to me like a community benefit. I assume it was not fixed because RH and FC4 itself didn't need it. Had it been *insert other community distro of choice here* it would have been maintained and updated like any other package.
To me thats ignoreing any 'community effort', and quite frankly I'm less than impressed with this newfound selling of the word community, when its been rather pointedly ignored until now.
New found? I remember the original announcements mentioning this idea.
If you want it to be a community effort, then its time a hell of a lot more credit was given to those that have contributed.
But we did. We welcomed it several times
What *I* read was several thanks from *redhat.com ppls that seemed to be from the persons, not company. IE: I didn't see them as official.
-HK